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post #16 of 44
Josh tell me about the dt 990 is it a good phone for Techno/dance, does it have good bass??
post #17 of 44
Paratrooper, I'll definitely hook you up with my impressions of the DT 990 right after it arrives, which should be sometime within the next couple of weeks. Like you, I also need good bass because I use headphones when I watch DVDs on my computer, and without decent bass, watching Jack Burton drive the Pork Chop Express into Chinatown just wouldn't be the same. The MDR-7506s I ordered last week should also be arriving soon, and comparing the two headphones should be fun.

Y'know what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like this?
post #18 of 44
the DT-990's need a powerful amp to sound their best, and besides, they're audiophile phones! They're not meant for megabass (no audiophile or even anyone who cared about half-decent sound would ever use bass boost) or for having the bass knob cranked up. Please, for our sanity, quit asking that same question about every headphone! For your own sake, go make some calls, see who carries what, go to some store and try out some phones!
post #19 of 44
chych!!!!

musicians-gear.com is awful. I had to threaten to cancel my order before they shipped my headphones, it took 2 months to get them. I've heard of other people waiting 3-4 months for their product. read my post http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...=&threadid=517

anywayz...

-g
post #20 of 44
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no audiophile or even anyone who cared about half-decent sound would ever use bass boost
What is your point, music isn't the same without bass, some people couldn't care less about it, to others it's one of the most important aspects of music. I hate overly done muddy bass as well, but I never buy a phone without it having a strong point in bass.


ALL YOUR BASS BELONG TO ME!!!!


PS. I know many audiophile's that would go nut's and dare not listen to there system without a proper SUBWOOFER baby!!!
post #21 of 44
well paradigm, anyone who understood high quality audio would realize that there is plently of bass without any bass boost at all!!! you simply do not need bass boost to hear all the bass you would ever need. I mean, it's not like we don't care about bass. We don't go around saying "this headphone has no bass but I like it because it has good mids and highs." You need bass, of course you do. But not the way you're accustomed to listening to it. (You should also notice that we don't go around asking about the bass!!!!!!!!! of each headphone. We actually care about every aspect of the sound.)

You know, the funny thing is that bass boost really just boosts mid-bass, not bass! And any bass boost will result in muddy bass. You just don't understand what the definition is.

And sure, you need something to produce low frequencies. But no audiophile is going to crank his sub to the maximum, either! he's going to keep it so low that you can harly notice it's there. Only when you turn it all the way off will you realize what it's been doing. I'll bet you that half the time your CD or MD player isn't even capable of producing the frequencies a sub is supposed to fill in at.

So yes, audiophiles need subs. Sometimes four subs or more. but you, my friend, are no audiophile! Well, you could be an audiophile if you'd just get one of the decent headphones we reccomended, turned bass boost off, and enjoyed music the way it was meant to be enjoyed. I know it's possible; because you sound exactly like me when i got into this stuff. So I speak from experience, paradigm, remember that.
post #22 of 44
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well paradigm, anyone who understood high quality audio would realize that there is plenty of bass without any bass boost at all!!! you simply do not need bass boost to hear all the bass you would ever need
Funny I don't ever remember saying I use the bass boost.

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But not the way you're accustomed to listening to it. (You should also notice that we don't go around asking about the bass!!!!!!!!! of each headphone. We actually care about every aspect of the sound
So do I, but bass is what I’m really concerned about, why? well you obviously haven't been reading my threads, I have said that I am looking for the ultimate dance/techno phones that will recreate the scene of a dance club. which means, Thump, thump.....Closed headphone., So far the SONY CD3000 does this job amazingly, I have the grado325 for my headphone audiophile needs.

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But no audiophile is going to crank his sub to the maximum,
Who said anything about cranking the sub???

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either! he's going to keep it so low that you can hardly notice it's there
I can see from this statement that you don't know much about home stereo. Subs have volume knobs on them, and you know why, cause depending on the type of music you listen to, the volume may need to be adjusted. Subs are meant to go loud and strong, when listening to Techno you want to crank the sub 3/4 of the way. When listening to acoustic instrumental 1/4 etc....

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but you, my friend, are no audiophile
Oh please!! Who are you to say that, cause I want a headphone for techno. Come take a look at my HT setup and we will see who the real audiophile is, heck I spent $1500 just for a DAC and another $500 for a jitter filter. I feel sorry for all you guys buying NAD, ARCOM cause you think there DAC are amazing, there good but your better off buying a separate DAC. This way you can have a 300 disc changer-optical out to jitter filter to DAC to amp.

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Well, you could be an audiophile if you'd just get one of the decent headphones we recommended, turned bass boost off
Again where do you get this info that I use the bass boost???? your just making assumptions here. Oh and no thank you, real audiophiles my friend, laugh at the thought of headphones, and are about SPEAKERS. Now this could be a subjective issue here, cause I know allot of people that take headphones listening just as serious as loud speaker, but most big time audiophiles are loud speaker listeners, cause the sound and experience is something headphone listening can never create, unless someone comes out with neural implants in the brain.

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and enjoyed music the way it was meant to be enjoyed.
Like I said if you want to hear the music the way it was ment to be heard then go out and get a $100,000 sound system. One of the most important aspects of listening to me, is to be able to feel the music through your body, in essence to be a part of it, something headphones can't do.
post #23 of 44
lol, oh my paradigm, you do crack me up!

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Originally posted by Paradigm in the music forum
You got me, My Minidisc is cranked all the way up with mega bass on full.
no bass boost, huh? How odd...

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Who said anything about cranking the sub???
If you didn't mean to imply cranking the sub, why'd you bring it up in the first place? We're not talking about low frequency response, we're talking about how much bass is adequate. No one is arguing over whether or not bass is necessary, so why bring up subs all of a sudden?

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I can see from this statement that you don't know much about home stereo. Subs have volume knobs on them, and you know why, cause depending on the type of music you listen to, the volume may need to be adjusted. Subs are meant to go loud and strong...
LOL! well, if you don't believe me, how about Srajan Ebaen, reviewer of www.goodsound.com ?
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It's a common mistake to set subwoofer levels too high. This lyrical guitar and bass duet quickly differentiated between settings that were heavy-handed and those that were spot-on. Except when Haden solos, you should hear him playing second bass-fiddle to Metheny's lead guitar, never overpowering him. At the same time, his bass lines should be clearly intelligible up and down the scales; the system should neither add emphasis to nor obscure individual notes. With my eyes closed, I listened for a seamless blend. The sound shouldn't scream "sub in the system," but rather make you wonder whether the sub even works. If 500 bucks seems a high price to pay for nothing, just ask a friend to turn down the sub's level control while you listen. Now you'll know what the sub did before -- not only will the bass disappear, but so will most of the subtle spatial cues that tell you so much about the specific room in which the recording was made.
That's what a sub should do, paradigm.

if you already have the CD3000's and the 325's, why do you keep pestering us with the same damn question? Listen to what you have and learn from it. You can buy all the high quality equipment you want, it won't make you an audiophile. You just happeen to be someone who has a lot of expensive equipment that you don't know what to do with.
post #24 of 44
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lol, oh my paradigm, you do crack me up!



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Originally posted by Paradigm in the music forum
You got me, My Minidisc is cranked all the way up with mega bass on full.
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no bass boost, huh? How odd...
That was with my cheap Sony street style headphones, MEGA bass or No meag bass, will make no difference in quality considering that those phones are a peice of JUNK. Currently I use a TA with SONYCD3000 and grad325's and I can assure you that MEGA bass is not an option. he,he


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You can buy all the high quality equipment you want, it won't make you an audiophile. You just happeen to be someone who has a lot of expensive equipment that you don't know what to do with.
LOL, I crack you up, speak of the devil. Then by this notion, you are just a guy with expensive headphones, who has deluded himself into believing that he is a true audiophile. Basically your whole argument rest on what this one guy over at goodsound. Not that is he entirely wrong, but many other highly respected sound experts have different opinions about how a sub should be used, so just because one person says it should be used a certain way, doesn’t make it fact. Also didn't I say to turn the sub 1/4 and only to crank it to 3/4 when listening to techno/dance, I believe that is what I said, you must be illiterate? SLAP!

When I speak of loud big bommy bass, i'm always referring to techno music, not audiophile stuff, this is why I have 2 sets of speakers. I have the Klipsch Refrence for any kind of electronic, synthesized music as they sound best on them cause of the horn tweeters and then I have the paradigm reference for all my audiophile listening.

I just love it when someone drives there car by my house and it feels like my teeth are going to shatter. You should see what I have in my basement. I turn all the lights off, then turn on my 2 mini fog machines , my rapid flashing spot light, and my two lasers with a $450 laser separator. Also I turn on my blue lights.
It's like my mini club, All my friends dig my little gig I have there. SMoke a couple of joints which really enhances the musical experience, and then I turn on my $1500 SUB that I only use for techno/dance(keep in mind I use definitive subs for audiophile listening, which is not the same sub I use for techno)and man I swear you walk into that room and it's bass heaven. Just like a real high tech club.

PS. Chicks get real horny when the bass starts kicking

JOHN DIGWEED is the best DJ in the world
post #25 of 44
Thread Starter 
paradigm/neruda: Not interested in the DT531, huh? And, paradigm, I think you can really believe tomcat in this: The DT990Pro has good bass and plenty of it. And for subwoofers: These can be good/bad, neccessary or superfluous depending on the type/size/bass response of the main speakers, room size... Personally, I'd always prefer bigger front speakers to a mono subwoofer, if the room allows that. Tone control/bass boost/loudness can be quite nice too, but usually we only see bad implementations. But if you have a properly designed loudness on your amp, it can be quite nice for party situations etc. - on the other hand, of course, there's something wrong, if the speakers/phones sound totally wrong without additional boost. So back to the DT531, which is really nice for the price...

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

...desperately trying to save my thread.
post #26 of 44
>Basically your whole argument rest on what this one guy over at
>goodsound.

No, Neruda's argument is based on a lot of knowledge about audio -- he just happened to quote something from GoodSound to show you that it's not just his own opinion, but also a widely-held opinion among those who actually know good audio.

Paradigm, based on your posts here (and there have been lots of them) it is *clear* that you like extra bass. After everything you've written, you're not going to convince anyone that you like "accurate" sound. You do NOT like flat, accurate sound. That's your taste, and that's fine -- you should enjoy music the way you enjoy it. But you should understand that most of the people here like their music to be more accurate, and they will disagree with a lot of the assertions you make, since those assertions stray from the accurate reproduction of the music.
post #27 of 44
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Paradigm said...

Oh and no thank you, real audiophiles my friend, laugh at the thought of headphones, and are about SPEAKERS. Now this could be a subjective issue here, cause I know allot of people that take headphones listening just as serious as loud speaker, but most big time audiophiles are loud speaker listeners, cause the sound and experience is something headphone listening can never create, unless someone comes out with neural implants in the brain.
Agreed, MacDEF. Especially the assertion above. And at a headphone site, no less. My, my, aren't we elitist...

Bah, I fully understand the appeal of wanting to feel the impact only a sub-woofer can provide. It's quite enjoyable, but by no means is it required to be considered a "real audiophile". It's true, it's true.
post #28 of 44
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Paradigm, based on your posts here (and there have been lots of them) it is *clear* that you like extra bass. After everything you've written, -- you should enjoy music the way you enjoy it.
What I find interesting is that you say from all my posts that have read, it's obvious that that I like extra bass, and you are correct. Yet here lie's the problem, what you have forgotten is that My goal here, was to find a phone for DANCE/TECHNO, not audiophile type music. I only use phones for portable use, I have a hi-fi stereo system that I use for my audiophile listening. 90% of the music I listen to portable wise is DANCE/Techno. Therefore it would make sense that I want a phone with some serious bass.

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you're not going to convince anyone that you like "accurate" sound. You do NOT like flat, accurate sound. That's your taste, and that's fine
If you say so, but again here you are assuming that I don't like my sound accurate when indeed that is far from the truth. You need to get out, and go to one of the most sophisticated clubs in your area, IF you have one. You will see what Techno is all about-BASS it's Number#1. Inside the clubs there is like 20 subwoofers all turned up, cause that is the watt the music is ment to be heard(to feel the music) I hope I have made myself clear here, that it is only when I listen to music that was designed to give off alot of bass(techno), which I can see you don't realize, that I require a bit more bass than usual.

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But you should understand that most of the people here like their music to be more accurate, and they will disagree with a lot of the assertions you make, since those assertions stray from the accurate reproduction of the music.
I understand, I know I didn't make myself clearwhen I first came to these forums and due to the fact that I was really determined to find the best TEACHNO phones, I've given off a inaccurate impression of me.

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No, Neruda's argument is based on a lot of knowledge about audio -- he just happened to quote something from GoodSound to show you that it's not just his own opinion, but also a widely-held opinion among those who actually know good audio.

And like I said, it still dosen't make it fact, since many other hi-fi speaclists have different opinions how subs should be used. ALso from what Neruda said, isn't differnt from what I said, if you go back and read mu post I said that I only turn the sub 1/4 of the way for my audiophile listening.
post #29 of 44
paradigm, I'm not an audiophile. I've never once, in the history of these boards or even on headwize have I ever called myself an audiophile. Maybe something like "an audiophile in the making" or something, but that's it. You're the one with no foundation for your arguments.

And you can ask any serious audio enthusiast in the world (not your bass loving friends) whether loud bass is okay, and they will for sure say no. I have just about everyone on the forums behind me on this. You know why? Because the majority of them are, indeed, serious audiophiles. My God, do you want me to sift through the stereophile archives and find every time they spoke hatred for a boomy subwoofer? lol, I'll bet that without bass boost on you can't even hear the low frequencies! (Of course you're going to retort this by saying yes you can, but I know you're lying. You've got bass boost on right now, don't you?)

whew! that's a lot of writing for someone who's illiterate!
post #30 of 44
Yawn.........you it seems your still illiterate

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I have just about everyone on the forums behind me on this. You know why? Because the majority of them are, indeed, serious audiophiles.
Behind you on what???? that you shouldn't turn the sub up load, didn't I say that I only do that for TECHNO. Please tell me what do they back you up on...EXPLAIN
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