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post #196 of 4249
I just tried stuffing the supplied complys under the modded tri flanges and it brings the isolation to an even higher level. Can't really tell if the SQ has been affected. Any of you guys start messing around with other tips yet?
post #197 of 4249
For reference on midrange, I personally find that;

TFPro: Not neccessarily sucked out or recessed but more veiled and blurry. I say this because I still think vocals sound very good with TFPro. Much prefer over W3 vocals.
SE530: Great as we all know but almost a little too forward sounding to me. Sometimes encounter the "singer is yelling at me" syndrome.
W3: Whether its because the bass and treble are fairly tipped upwards I found almost a void in the W3 midrange. Truly a little recessed. Vocals a little tough on the ears. Not really smooth sounding.
UM3X: Closest to SE530 but smoother sounding and dialed back about 10-15%. Perfect balance.

Don't get me wrong, the bass is great in qty. If you desire more I would classify you as a true basshead.

Again, overall the presentation is clearly warmer (in a very good way) and much smoother than W3. But some people may associate "smoother, neutral and balanced" with boring but certainly not me. These type of characteristics make you focus strictly on the music itself.
post #198 of 4249
@ Spyro, Thanks for the Triple.Fi comparisons.

After borrowing a friends Null Audio recabled Tri.Fi's numerous times I finally broke down and made a trade with him for them. Although I still find the recabled version a bit on the dry side, the overall balance is one of, if not the best I've heard in an IEM. What's held me off acquiring them in the past is their awkward fit and minor comfort issues but I just kept going back to them.

You're comparisons of the UM3X with Triple.Fi's have me rather intrigued. I have a few additional questions if you don't mind answering them? First, what tips are you using on the UM3X's? Did you ever have any sibilance issues with W3's? Have you ever heard a Null Audio recabled Triple.Fi?

Because there are a few things about the design of the UM3X that I'm a bit leery about and I being one of the ones that had sibilance issues with the W3's I'm going to hold off buying a pair to try until I read more feedback from people who had similar issues before I jump on board. I have a feeling though that I'll be buying a pair in the not to distant future to try, then I'll have to decide which to keep, the UM3X's, recabled Triple.Fi's or IE8's.
post #199 of 4249
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Originally Posted by roy_jones View Post
Thanks for the response- it helps to clarify a few of the significant questions I'd had.

The only time I have had any experience with burn-in was with a pair of HF-1's. Ironically, I thought that I observed significant burn-in effects with those phones, so I guess my skepticism isn't as well founded as I'd thought.

I don't think of myself as a bass-head, but my first experience with high end audio was a pair of Shure E4c's. I ended up disliking them because of their lack of low end presence, and that experience has always stuck with me.

I also had a pair of W5000's that were a little light on bass. In fact, I think I'm having a moment of personal revelation, as I really loved the L3000's I briefly had, and those are bass monsters.

Anyways, it sounds like the IE8 bass is potentially over-done. Is the UM3X a clear winner compared to your IE8's?

I tend to listen to rock like Radiohead, Tool, Mars Volta, Arcade Fire, etc... where having good bass is important, but also having a solid mid range is critical, hence the Grado RS-1 comparison as an ideal sound signature for my musical tastes.

I'll say this, the UM3X sound pretty impressive. Almost like a universal ES3X, sorta like the triple fi's were a universal UE10. I know they share some of the same driver technology, etc...
um3x has a fantastic midrange, i find them less engaging than PFE and IE8. very nice "relaxing" feeling which i like.

IE8 has the biggest soundstage among se530,PFE,W3,T10pro,UM3X,er4p which i have tested.

UM3X's bass is just slight less quantity than a burn in IE8 first knob. I am not a basshead. maybe tighter bass control with p51 mustang.
post #200 of 4249
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Originally Posted by elnero View Post
@ Spyro, Thanks for the Triple.Fi comparisons.


You're comparisons of the UM3X with Triple.Fi's have me rather intrigued. I have a few additional questions if you don't mind answering them? First, what tips are you using on the UM3X's? Did you ever have any sibilance issues with W3's? Have you ever heard a Null Audio recabled Triple.Fi?
Using the regular (smaller of the two) sized complys. Fit is incredible easy with this housing type. No one should have any problems. Yes, I had siblance with W3 but after a marathon of a kazillion tip choices, mods, etc. I truly think I got it to how it was suppose to sound and still found it a bit fatiguing on the ears based on my reasons posted in this thread. Have not heard a recabled TFP. I can only use T-500 complys with TFP and I love them. I cannot keep a seal with any other supplied tip. With T-500 tips I found TFP very comfortable and I would consider my ear canals average/medium sized.
post #201 of 4249
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
Using the regular (smaller of the two) sized complys. Fit is incredible easy with this housing type. No one should have any problems. Yes, I had siblance with W3 but after a marathon of a kazillion tip choices, mods, etc. I truly think I got it to how it was suppose to sound and still found it a bit fatiguing on the ears based on my reasons posted in this thread. Have not heard a recabled TFP. I can only use T-500 complys with TFP and I love them. I cannot keep a seal with any other supplied tip. With T-500 tips I found TFP very comfortable and I would consider my ear canals average/medium sized.
I have sensitivities to most, if not all silicone tips which has made choosing IEM's rather difficult, it's the main reason I had to sell the W3's and X10's. Because I was originally borrowing the Triple.Fi's from a friend I've only ever tried them with Comply's, when on they are fairly comfortable but I do find them a bit more of a chore to insert which is a bit of a detriment because I have to take them on and off fairly often at work where I use IEM's the most.

IMO, the Null Audio cable better balances them, bringing out the mids, smoothing the treble a bit and better integrating the bass with the midrange. From my memory of the stock cable it's not a dramatic difference but enough of one for them to pull ahead for me.

With the W3's the only tip that solved the sibilance issues was triple flange tips with the stocks cut down a bit but those are silicone tips which irritate my ears so I finally had to give up them.

So just to clarify, you are using the UM3X's with Comply tips and you are not having any issues with sibilance, correct?

One other question, how do find the speed, attack and decay of the UM3X's in comparison to the Triple.Fi's?
post #202 of 4249
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Originally Posted by elnero View Post
So just to clarify, you are using the UM3X's with Comply tips and you are not having any issues with sibilance, correct?

One other question, how do find the speed, attack and decay of the UM3X's in comparison to the Triple.Fi's?
Correct on complys. Zero siblance. Speed and attack is better on UM3X. More natural, less clinical. Decay is honestly best I have ever heard of any IEM. Like I say, a musican's monitor probably should be this way so this shouldn't be hard to believe. Hi-hats, cymbals, drums...brilliant!!
post #203 of 4249
Has anyone tried UM3X with Shure gray sleeves. I am interested to hear opinions. Currently i am using standard complys and bi flanges . With complys they sound better but from comfort perspective the bi-flanges are the best . So i need an alternative
post #204 of 4249
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Originally Posted by animalsrush View Post
Has anyone tried UM3X with Shure gray sleeves. I am interested to hear opinions. Currently i am using standard complys and bi flanges . With complys they sound better but from comfort perspective the bi-flanges are the best . So i need an alternative
I asked that question ages ago, but no-one seems to have reported anything. If anyone does, please, I'd like a comparison between W3 & UM3X with soft grey silicone tips with NO amp. Those tips are the only ones that don't hurt my ears.
post #205 of 4249
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Originally Posted by Zalithian View Post
I don't think ANYTHING will sound more full or even equal to the IE8's. The IE8's have exaggerated bass which gives them a thicker sound. I can't speak for the W3's but I know the UM3X's do not have it. They sound much cleaner but certainly not paper thin like some may describe Ety or Grey filter PFE's unamped.
Hmmm... that was my immediate impression of the IE8. Sparkles and sound stage... but that bass was persistently there. "Where from?"
I could not imagine how someone could change the notch from the bottom setting

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Originally Posted by roy_jones View Post
I don't think of myself as a bass-head, but my first experience with high end audio was a pair of Shure E4c's. I ended up disliking them because of their lack of low end presence, and that experience has always stuck with me.
Ha ha! I went from UE Super fi.5 Pro to Shure E4G (black gaming E4C) to UM2. I've posted a lengthy comparison in the past on E4G v UM2. Quality was bursting to come through but just not enough bass quantity

But since getting the ESW9 and HD600, I now look at my UM2 indifferently Now I very much would rather own IE8 over the UM2 any day, but it is the IE8's bass that brings the W3 and UM3X into the game for me
post #206 of 4249
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Originally Posted by animalsrush View Post
Has anyone tried UM3X with Shure gray sleeves. I am interested to hear opinions. Currently i am using standard complys and bi flanges . With complys they sound better but from comfort perspective the bi-flanges are the best . So i need an alternative
Unfortunately when I sent my W3's back for the exchange I also returned the tips. I don't have any but would love try a medium pair myself.
post #207 of 4249
Can't resist a quick plug. I'm getting major goosebumps listening to the 8 minute tune, "The Grace of Summer Light" from Ken Navarro. No vocals but a terrifically recorded song with an amazingly swift transition from acoustic guitar into a bone crunching electric guitar solo. Can't get enough. Forget the samples, need to hear the entire journey of the song. Buy it, it's incredible. Oops...wrong forum.

Back to the thread....
post #208 of 4249
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
Unfortunately when I sent my W3's back for the exchange I also returned the tips. I don't have any but would love try a medium pair myself.
Bummer. It would be nice to see if any one has tried them. Btw how has been your experience with complys. I was shocked with the clarity with complys i thought they would be muffled. I now rate them better than my bi flange in terms of sound.
post #209 of 4249
Thread Starter 
So far with the UM3X I do prefer the small Comply's but the modded bi flange works pretty good and the Olives didn't seem bad for the short time I tested them. I did try some I think small grey silicon tips from my SE210's but I didn't like them. I'll mess around with different ones later or give them another shot later today I guess.
post #210 of 4249
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
You may not be crazy about UM3X then. Flavio's post was good in how he compared it to UM2. I compared it to SE530 but those of you that have had both know that they are pretty similar (SE530 and UM2). As smooth as you SE530 lovers think SE530 is, you don't know what smooth is until you hear UM3X. I owned SE530 3 times for a total ownership period of about 2 years and I really like it but I honestly can't see how anyone would prefer it over UM3X at this point.

One thing I really like and notice about UM3X is that since it is so balanced neutral and smooth you really just focus on the music, and I suppose this is the true purpose of a monitor anyway. Great transparency too as far as seeing into the music.

I now totally understand Westone's marketing and timing of the release of W3 first and then UM3X. W3 is quite the departure from what UM2 was and marketed it as such as a playback IEM. It was a bold jump. UM3X comes back a little and builds up off of what UM2 was by tightening up the bass, expanding the treble and providing a larger soundstage.
right i think these are now on my want list, my wallet hates you btw
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