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post #46 of 107
4/28/09 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by gameboy115 View Post
Hey, Don't make fun of me. As I do beleive everyone here has some kind of hype for being a member of this forum. In fact many members here just buy a IEM from member recommendation. What I want to say is being here and reading thread everyday really make you kind of know what the sound sig that IEM perform, even it may be little far from perfect. It is nothing wrong to say SE530 is good when I am lover of mid and bass
That's fine, but until you actually hear them, your opinion is pretty much void. Trust me, I read up on the IE8 for months and months before I finally got them. I thought I knew everything about how they sounded before I even paid for them.

I could not have been more wrong.
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post #47 of 107
4/28/09 at 12:13am
I find this thread funny because I got a recabled Shure 530s coming within this week
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post #48 of 107
4/28/09 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by catscratch View Post
In my experience the W3 has surpassed the SE530 pretty solidly, though only when it's fitted well.
My thought is almost opposite to yours.
No matter how many foams I tried, I still couldn't find a good sound out of the W3.
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post #49 of 107
4/28/09 at 12:21am
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Originally Posted by Lil' Knight View Post
My thought is almost opposite to yours.
No matter how many foams I tried, I still couldn't find a good sound out of the W3.
It sounds like you're in the majority. Westone really did mess up the design of the W3. I couldn't get a good fit for about 2 months before finally nailing it. And without a proper fit it sounded like a mess, bloated bass, recessed mids, and very sibilant highs. I don't really expect anyone to believe me either since I didn't believe it myself before I got a good fit. And healthy skepticism in audio is a very good thing.
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post #50 of 107
4/28/09 at 12:23am
The thing about the Shure IEMs is that they have the Senn sound in them, dark, smooth, polite, laid back but ultimately conservative and boring at times. No headphone/IEM is perfect, and the SE530 is no exception. Forget about the IE8/Westone 3, I find it difficult to justify the higher price of the SE530 over the Triplefi10 and UM2 when those 2 are more fun and enjoyable. Its soundstage is unsurpassed but when it comes to bass, transparency, treble it's lacking.
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post #51 of 107
4/28/09 at 12:38am
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Originally Posted by scytheavatar View Post
The thing about the Shure IEMs is that they have the Senn sound in them, dark, smooth, polite, laid back but ultimately conservative and boring at times.
The SE530 is laid back where it's easy to get fatigue: the lows (relatively speaking) and the highs. The mids are actually quite forward, which some people like, some people don't. Those who don't find the SE530 boring because they're not getting that upfront low and high presentation and instead get an upfront mid presentation. The SE530 doesn't really have the Sennheiser sound. To me, both (I'm talking Shure and about Sennheiser's headphones too) are veiled, but they're veiled in different ways. Shure is just veiled because it's not as detailed, specifically in the highs. To me, Sennheiser phones have a veil to them because of their incredible soundstage. It's that depth, that space, that can be often be perceived as a veil.
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Originally Posted by scytheavatar View Post
Forget about the IE8/Westone 3, I find it difficult to justify the higher price of the SE530 over the Triplefi10 and UM2 when those 2 are more fun and enjoyable.
Depends on who you ask. Personally, I couldn't stand the UM2 after my first day with them. No matter what I tried, the highs were sibilant and harsh, the lows were bloated and unrefined, and the mids were forward but muddy at the same time. To me the SE530 is miles ahead of the UM2 in terms of sheer presentation. I have no experience with the triple.fi 10 pro, but based on comments I have read on here, I would probably not like them because they (apparently) have recessed mids and sometimes sibilant highs.
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post #52 of 107
4/28/09 at 1:21am
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Originally Posted by moseboy View Post
To me, Sennheiser phones have a veil to them because of their incredible soundstage. It's that depth, that space, that can be often be perceived as a veil.
That's a first. I don't think veil is what your think it means.
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post #53 of 107
4/28/09 at 1:30am
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Originally Posted by younglee200 View Post
I find this thread funny because I got a recabled Shure 530s coming within this week
That is my biggest question about the 530's. I read a thread about how the cables tended to crack, or were fragile. Does anyone consider that a tangible problem? Or is it not a problem?

(I'm not assuming one way or the other. It's an honest question.)

I'm planning to buy my first mid/high end IEM's very soon. I came here to do research. I may post a separate thread about the options.
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post #54 of 107
4/28/09 at 1:43am
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Originally Posted by catscratch View Post
It sounds like you're in the majority. Westone really did mess up the design of the W3. I couldn't get a good fit for about 2 months before finally nailing it. And without a proper fit it sounded like a mess, bloated bass, recessed mids, and very sibilant highs. I don't really expect anyone to believe me either since I didn't believe it myself before I got a good fit. And healthy skepticism in audio is a very good thing.
thats what i heard with westone 3, i was choosing between it and SE530 and spent some time trying, and SE530 was clearly better to me. i might try w3 again with different tips, but until then..
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post #55 of 107
4/28/09 at 1:54am
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Originally Posted by oarnura View Post
That's a first. I don't think veil is what your think it means.
No, I know what it means.... The "Sennheiser veil" is usually known as the lack of treble presence/energy in their headphones, at least compared to other headphones that end up sounding bright by comparison. But to me, just the fact that with their phones the sound is so "out of your head," it makes that veil even more apparent (to me anyway).
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post #56 of 107
4/28/09 at 2:06am
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post
....if our hobby is to jump from one fotm to another, then voltaging is counter-productive but if we are looking for the best from our current gear without wasting money, then we should at least look to his idealistic approach to evaluation of personal gear.
interesting term spotted, hahahaha.
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post #57 of 107
4/28/09 at 2:07am
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Originally Posted by barleyguy View Post
That is my biggest question about the 530's. I read a thread about how the cables tended to crack, or were fragile. Does anyone consider that a tangible problem? Or is it not a problem?

(I'm not assuming one way or the other. It's an honest question.)

I'm planning to buy my first mid/high end IEM's very soon. I came here to do research. I may post a separate thread about the options.
The problems been all but cleared up, ever since Shure reformulated their cables (apparently, it was being adversely affected by sweat and oils), and I really don't think it's much of an issue anymore.

If you're planning high-end IEMs and are thinking to go the SE530 route, ask yourself whether a laid-back presentation is what you want. Some people want it, some people find it boring. I think it's great for studying and stuff. If you want an exciting presentation to your music, look elsewhere (like Westone 3's, or IE8s). Don't the cable issue in the 530's be a major factor in your decision.
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post #58 of 107
4/28/09 at 2:13am
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Originally Posted by moseboy View Post
That's fine, but until you actually hear them, your opinion is pretty much void. Trust me, I read up on the IE8 for months and months before I finally got them. I thought I knew everything about how they sounded before I even paid for them.

I could not have been more wrong.
Any chance you could briefly outline the differences between your pre-purchase conceptions, and the opinions you had after you'd had the opportunity to listen to them?

I know the phenomenon you're describing, having experienced it as well.

I'm considering the IE8's. I am trying to get better at calibrating my expectations so that I don't waste time/money as a result of getting "surprised" by characteristics I didn't anticipate during my research phase.

I'm getting to be better, having been in the "game" for a while...

It's also for this exact reason (among others) that it's a service to all members to ban posters like Voltage who are like viruses in their ability to spread ill-informed opinions.

Also, I don't like the age defense. I wasn't as obnoxious or immature as a 10 year old. Seriously.
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post #59 of 107
4/28/09 at 2:30am
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Originally Posted by roy_jones View Post
Any chance you could briefly outline the differences between your pre-purchase conceptions, and the opinions you had after you'd had the opportunity to listen to them?

I know the phenomenon you're describing, having experienced it as well.

I'm considering the IE8's. I am trying to get better at calibrating my expectations so that I don't waste time/money as a result of getting "surprised" by characteristics I didn't anticipate during my research phase.
I'd first like to ask you what are you coming from? The reason I ask is I had (obviously) come from the SE530 before the IE8 and after two years with them, that was what really changed the way the IE8 sounded to me initially. So getting a reference as to what you're hearing now is a better telling for me of whether you should get them or not.
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post #60 of 107
4/28/09 at 2:37am
i like se530 sound but their cable is too lousy for such a high price iem.
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