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post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by falis View Post
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Anyway, I got my 2008 model back from Audiomagus yesterday. They repaired the HP jack - no hum I can detect. ...
- Ed
So I turned the amp up all the way with the phones plugged in. There's a definite hum, but I can't hear it until 2 o'clock or so, which would be eardrum bursting. Typically listen at about 8 o'clock.

- Ed
post #17 of 27
Thread Starter 
Glow Amp one Hum problem solved: and it only cost the price of the Sennheiser HD800.

I don't hear the hum at normal listening volumes using these 300 ohm phones vs the Grados were unlistenable for me. Maybe that make sense for those that understand electricity. the glow is a very nice amp (certainly rivaling and maybe surpassing my grace 902 in terms of musicalilty and body) now that I can hear the music w/o the hum. Very little volume control though w/ the HD800s. I am restricted to less than 1/4 turn on the volume pot.
post #18 of 27
Well, that would not prove conclusively that the glow is OTL with headphones, but it sure makes one wonder. If it hums with low impedance headphones and IS transformer coupled, that would mean some real design issues.
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 
New Hum problem now.

Rotten luck for my first piece of tube gear. Very disapinting b/c the Glow was working so well. This hum is definitely different this time. it is constant and does not change w/ volume level. Maybe a tube? The stock tubes have only about 100hrs on them.

The tubes that come stock might be junk. What tubes should I try as replacements? any recommendations?
post #20 of 27
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Looks like I'll need (2) 6N3s and (2) EL84s. and according to Glow they should not be European for the reason Skylab mentioned in his previous post (something about pins being tied together internally). I don't think I'll go w/ the Chinese tubes. Russian I guess. maybe ebay or I'll check the tube retailers listed on Headfi.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by SuperDuke View Post
Looks like I'll need (2) 6N3s and (2) EL84s. and according to Glow they should not be European for the reason Skylab mentioned in his previous post (something about pins being tied together internally). I don't think I'll go w/ the Chinese tubes. Russian I guess. maybe ebay or I'll check the tube retailers listed on Headfi.
Because you cannot use European or American Tubes, or Japaneses for that matter, you don't have much choice. Patrick is supposed to fix the issue by next iteration but, until then, these are few of the better choices out there.
post #22 of 27
There are some pretty decent vintage Russian EL84's - not great, but better than the stock tubes.

And you *can* use 5670/2C51's in place of the 6N3 - some nice USA-made 2C51's would sound a lot better than the stock driver tubes.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post
The problem is that you are using an OTL tube amp with ultra-low impedance headphones. This will result in some hum in the majority of cases. That particular design definitely has the track record of humming with low impedance cans.

If you tried something like the Senn HD650 of the Beyer DT880/990, you'd probably have no hum. I'm not suggesting you change headphones, mind you, just pointing out what is causing your problem.

It has nothing to do with the sensitivity of the headphones - it is the low impedance of the Grados that is the issue.
Skylab, have you auditioned or own a GLOW? If so how does it compare to the Ming-Da MC84-C07? Id really like to try a newer EL-84 amp with an integrated headphone amp. My listening practice involves switching back and forth between headphones and Horned speakers constantly.
Years ago a friend plucked a wonderful EL-84 amp out of a vintage 50's(?) Hi-Fi console made by Capitol. I believe it had mullards. It was very eye opening when paired with Tannoy dual concentrics. Im wondering now how the designs have improved half a century later.
I must say that between the GLOWs multi colored light knob and the dancing tube of the ming da the flashy factor is through the roof compared to the utilitarian Capitol amp. Can you remove the dancing tube from the Ming-Da?

These hum issues are a bit frightening also.
post #24 of 27
No, I have never heard a GLOW, so I can't say how it compares with other amps.

The Ming Da is a nice amp, but it does not play nice with low-imepdance headphones either - sounds AWESOME with my 600 ohm Beyers, but hums with my 70 ohm JVC's. No hum with speakers, though.

But no, you cannot remove the "Magic Eye" tube, as according to the manual, it serves as a rectifier tube.
post #25 of 27
thanks skylab. Im looking very closely at the Ming-Da now. just watched the video on the pacific valve website.
post #26 of 27
As you'll all note, this is my very first post on Head-fi.

I do not have "golden ears" and am not an expert headphone guru, but I have owned Sennheiser 650's for a few years and 600's before that. I have been in the music reproduction hobby for 35 years, being aged almost 60.

My main music listening is via a near state-of-the-art home theater comprising 7 Thiel speakers with 2 Velodyne DD-15 subs fed from Anthem D2 PrePro and Anthem amps. I listen to a lot of Blu-ray music discs and SACD's (especially love all the Alison Krauss discs). Before the home theater bug, I used to build and modify my own amps (starting with Hafler) and speakers (starting with Dahlquist DQ-10's) fed from all tube Conrad-Johnson gear, SOTA Sapphire turntables with moving magnet cartridges,etc. etc. So while not a Headphone guru, I have heard good sound.

For my office, I wanted to re-experience that warm sweet tube sound and so took the plunge simultaneously with a Glow Amp One and Sennheiser HD-800's fed with Apple Lossless from my MacBook Pro, which I've had for the past 2 weeks.

I must say I am totally knocked out by the combination. I find it very difficult to take the phones off my head.

Naturally it concerns me that another owner of the Glow Amp One and Sennheiser HD800 combo hears hum, 'cause that would be a "deal breaker" for me too. But after probably 100 hours of burn-in, I have not heard any hum unless the volume control is cranked past about 3 o-clock and I never listen past about 8:30.

Just incredibly warm, balanced, nuanced envelopment. I'm listening to my 400+ CD collection burned in Apple Lossless all over again to hear things I've never heard before. I realize the Glow One is an "entry" level tube amp and I suppose the more esoteric and expensive amps like Woo are better, but for my untrained ears, at least so far, my Glow Amp One far exceeds my expectations. And my Sennheiser HD800's are so comfortable! My 650's used to hurt my ears after only about an hour or so of listening, but the HD800's can stay on my head for hours and hours and never, ever hurt.

So all in all, so far I'm very happy!

Chris
post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by crbc View Post
. . . I have not heard any hum unless the volume control is cranked past about 3 o-clock and I never listen past about 8:30.
In the above, I didn't mean to write the word "hum", because I hear zero "hum" at any volume.

Instead, after the volume control passes about 3 o'clock, I begin to hear what I characterize as very light "gain" or "hash".

Chris
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