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post #16 of 225
If you like to headbang, definitely stay away from the AD700. Falls riiiiiight off.

Unless you just want to comment on it. In which case, I think it would be great item to try just for the sake of adding it to the list.
post #17 of 225
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Thanks for the kind words, Catscratch! I appreciate it.

I am getting more and more used to the idea of electrostats, despite their price. I've never really worn a pair of IEMs that I found comfortable, so unfortunately I'm probably going to rule the SR-005a out. I will definitely check out the Mk1 / Mk2, and based on your recommendation, I'll give the Koss electrostats some quality time and see how I like them.

I agree that balanced mode makes some pretty impressive improvements in sound. I'll be talking about it quite a bit in the HD 600 review...

Thanks for the comments everyone, keep them coming!
post #18 of 225
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Originally Posted by Oggranak View Post
If you like to headbang, definitely stay away from the AD700. Falls riiiiiight off.

Unless you just want to comment on it. In which case, I think it would be great item to try just for the sake of adding it to the list.
I'll definitely try them. I think that's two recommendation so far, so why not! I don't really headbang because I'm susceptible to migraine headaches, but sometime's I'll get into the music and do a little head-bobbin'. Curiously enough, before getting medication for my headaches, I would just throw on my headphones and blast metal as loud as possible. Getting lost in the riffs would usually be enough to make the migraine go away, but I was putting my hearing at risk, big time. Still, who knew that loud thrash metal could RELIEVE a headache?
post #19 of 225
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I'll definitely try them. I think that's two recommendation so far, so why not! I don't really headbang because I'm susceptible to migraine headaches, but sometime's I'll get into the music and do a little head-bobbin'. Curiously enough, before getting medication for my headaches, I would just throw on my headphones and blast metal as loud as possible. Getting lost in the riffs would usually be enough to make the migraine go away, but I was putting my hearing at risk, big time. Still, who knew that loud thrash metal could RELIEVE a headache?
Lol, there is some music I normally don't like but like to blast at my ears from time to time. Amon Amarth has got nothing on the other bands I listen to musically but sometimes I just like to blast their music really loud. Really gets you pumped up, lol.
post #20 of 225
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Amon Amarth is kind of interesting. I usually don't like the growly or screamy-vocals bands, but Amon Amarth is acceptable. Slayer, though... I apologize to the Slayer fans, but I can't deal with the vocals! Awesome riffs though.
post #21 of 225
I used to dislike growling/screaming, but it grows on you, I found.
post #22 of 225
Good reviews so far, looking forward to your HD600 thoughts!
post #23 of 225
Great thread! Thanks for your impressions Chris, they seem quite spot on.
post #24 of 225
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Thanks everyone! I'm having fun with this so far. I'm hoping to write up my impressions of the HD 600's on Sunday. Thrash metal weekend!

Side note: Has anyone heard the remixed/remastered version of "These Boots" on Megadeth's "Killing is My Business..." album? I can't help but laugh every time Mustaine puts the censorship bleep over his vocals
post #25 of 225
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Side note: Has anyone heard the remixed/remastered version of "These Boots" on Megadeth's "Killing is My Business..." album? I can't help but laugh every time Mustaine puts the censorship bleep over his vocals

He does WHAT!?
post #26 of 225
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Thanks everyone! I'm having fun with this so far. I'm hoping to write up my impressions of the HD 600's on Sunday. Thrash metal weekend!

Side note: Has anyone heard the remixed/remastered version of "These Boots" on Megadeth's "Killing is My Business..." album? I can't help but laugh every time Mustaine puts the censorship bleep over his vocals
******* fail. I shudder to think what the "Peace Sells..." era Mustaine would have thought of that.

How's the mastering? Is it hot and overcompressed?
post #27 of 225
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Sorry for the late post, just got home from work...

Yeah, in the liner notes for "Killing Is My Business..." Mustaine rants about Lee Hazelwood taking offense to the "obscene" lyrics that Mustaine added to the original song. The CD is in my car so I'll double check, but I think he said something about having to send royalty checks to Hazelwood for infringing on his song. But, he remixed it anyway, and just bleeped out the stuff that was offensive, I guess. After the second chorus, the song is almost one continuous bleep! Note that just his vocals are bleeped, all the rest of the guitars and drums are there. It's pretty comical in my opinion.

As far as the remaster goes, I've never heard the original. But, comparing it to something else from that time period, namely Metallica's "Ride the Lightning" album, the sound quality on Mustaine's remaster is worlds better.

As far as compression goes, I have the original pressing of "Countdown to Extinction," and I don't think it's any more compressed than that was. It's just mastered at a higher volume, and a little different since Mustaine made the vocals more prominent. It's nothing like "Death Magnetic."

If anyone has the "United Abominations" album, the remasters are at a lower volume level than that, and less compressed. My Valab dac has the clipping problem with louder recordings, such as "United Abominations," (...) but all of Mustaine's remasters that I have are free of this problem.

Last thing... I bought the nice 180 gram vinyl re-releases of "Peace Sells..." and "Rust in Peace" a short time ago, and I was a little surprised to find that these are the original masters. I'll be sure to compare them to Mustaine's remastered versions as soon as time allows.
post #28 of 225
The sound quality of Megadeth's remastered albums can only be described as being jaw droppingly good. Some of the best among the metal albums. The exception being Rust in Peace, which suffered from the piss poor new Take no Prisoners vocals. I think you can make a strong case that the original RIP is better than the remastered.
post #29 of 225
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Sennheiser HD 600!

Alright, I've finally got a free moment to sit down and listen to some metal on the Sennheiser HD 600's. I'm sure these cans need no introduction. So while "Wake Up Dead" blares gloriously, let me say that I'll try these headphones out in both single and balanced mode. These no longer have the stock cable though. They have an approximately 7-foot-long Stefan AudioArt Equinox cable, balanced, with a matching balanced to single-ended adapter.

Yes, I think the upgraded cable does make a difference in terms of clarity, despite being a cable skeptic all my life.

Yes, you can re-terminate the stock cable to have balanced connectors, which I did before switching to the Equinox cable. The difference between balanced and single-ended mode with each cable is similar. But, this isn't a cable review, so suffice it to say that I think the upgraded cable specifically addresses clarity and the famous "veil" that some people hear.

Anyways, on to the review... I figured that I would let the "Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?" album by Megadeth play while writing this out. I have the newly remixed/remastered version, so it isn't shy on bass or anything else. I'm already up to "Good Morning/Black Friday," and the acoustic intro sounds fantastic on these cans.

Bass: I'll start by discussing bass in single-ended mode. There is a mid bass hump, of course. It's not really a bad thing. But, it makes the lowest registers of bass feel weaker than they actually are. The drums lack punch, while the bass guitar growls with more force. Depending on how loud the bass guitar was played/mixed/recorded/whatever, I get the sense that I am sometimes anchored with the bass guitar line, rather than the drums. Sometimes, I get the sense that I have no anchor at all.

Switching to balanced drive, I get more slam from the drums, and a little more from the low end of the bass guitar too. I'm listening to the bass guitar beginning at 38 seconds into "Devil's Island," and the force of each pluck is more visceral. The decay, though, doesn't seem very much different. OK, so I would judge that bass is more plentiful in balanced drive, but not necessarily more accurate or faster. It's still below the level I would prefer.

Speed: This has been bothering me a bit. Something isn't quite right here. I figured that since I've heard Megadeth's "Mechanix" so many times, I might as well continue comparing against it. And, so I shall, starting again with single-ended mode.

Technically, the HD 600's do a pretty good job of resolving the individual finger plucks in the riffs throughout the song. Ugh, where did the bass go? Nevermind, here's the ending solo. And... I just realized what is the matter. As soon as Mustaine starts shredding, the fast paced rhythm guitar just smears. Yes, Mustaine's notes are mostly distinguished from each other, if not quite to the level of the SA5000. But the background just becomes a smear of noise. A quick check against the SA5000 confirms this.

Will balanced drive help with this matter? Well, the bass is back again, that's pleasant... Mustaine shreds, and... the background DOES retain some of the detail. Not as much as the SA5000, but more than none. So why does it feel like the cans are still slow? Time for "Tornado of Souls" from Megadeth's "Rust In Peace" to shed some light, perhaps. The heavily distorted guitar in the main opening riffs gives me the first clue. Yes, the plucks are all there, and fairly defined. But the notes decay so slowly that I feel there is too much momentum right before succeeding plucks. This is kind of hard to explain. On the Sony's, right before each new pluck, I hear a very short stop before the actual pluck. The pick against the string is stopping the vibration momentarily, I assume. (I can't play guitar per se, but I do like to noodle around with my friend's electric one, and this brief vibration stoppage mirrors what I have experienced myself.) On the HD 600s, this gap between notes is very small. Too short, I would say. I would argue that we need the brief silence to accentuate the burst of volume that follows from a new pluck. Since it seems that the bass guitar is following the lead and rhythm guitar pluck-for-pluck on this song, we are also losing out on a sense of timing as well. I think that's where the speed has gone: bled away by long decay that makes it difficult to focus on the progression of the song as the artist intended.


Everything Else: Cymbal crashes, and any other acoustic notes, sound great on these cans. Balanced mode makes the soundstage very wide left and right, but still without much depth. In comparison, I'd say the SA5000 has greater depth, but much less width. The Sennheiser HD 600 do many things well, and given their reputation, I think we all expect that by now. But I can't recommend these to anyone who listens to fast metal.
post #30 of 225
That's my impression of the HD600 for metal too, there's little in it that makes it a good metal can. It lacks speed and if you are looking for bass you're better off with the HFI 780 or D2000. But for some reason unknown to me some of the Senn fanboys keep pushing the HD600/HD650 as great metal cans.
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