Chris, I got a different take on your search... read my post here http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f9/thr...ml#post5790091
May be of help
May be of help

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When pfillion gets those JH13 Pro's and has a chance to listen for a while, maybe we'll get the final word on in-ear greatness...
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| They're also very sensitive to correct placement over your ears. Probably have the S-Logic decentralized speakers to thank for that. Anybody know if the Ultrasone claim of 3-4 dB pressure decrease for the same sound level is actually true? I'm really interested in that point. |
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Edit: I have no idea why I disliked the Ultrasone HFI-780's that I heard at CanJam. I really don't. Those and the Edition 8's convinced me to spend time listening to other things, and unfortunately I heard the Edition 9's very late on Sunday, so I didn't have time to make amends.
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So you are saying HFI-780 would be a upgrade to HFI-450, considering thrash metal?
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