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What is the best vintage headphone?

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Originally Posted by RUMAY408 View Post
 

What is the best vintage headphone?

Depends. If you're using vintage to refer to headphones no longer in production, then the Sony MDR-R10 takes that spot.

 

If you're using it to mean ACTUAL vintage, ie 30 years old+, the best ones I've heard so far are the Fostex-made orthodynamics from the mid 80's (T10, T30, T50v1, NAD RP18, Aiwa HP-500, and Sansui SS-100 to name a few). All except the first two measure hauntingly similar to the LCD-2/3-- which is state-of-the-art.

 

Some others are the Yamaha orthodynamics YH/HP-1, YH-2, YH-3, YH-100, YH-1000, YHD-1/2/3, HP-50, etc. Audio Technica's Signet TK33 system is really nice sounding too, as is AKG's K240 Sextett and K240DF. 

 

Some honorable mentions are the Pioneer SE-500 and SE-700, which were the first piezoelectric headphones ever made. The SE-700 sounds decent stock but the 500 surpasses it when modded imo. The Stanton Dynaphase Sixty has an insane soundstage and an infinite capacity for bass and volume. Any KOSS PRO model (Pro/4AA, Pro/4AAA, etc) is quite good too, with good detail and powerful bass. 

 

There are lots of vintage cans out there, making it impossible to decide upon one that's flat out "better" than the rest, but hopefully this information is helpful.

post #949 of 1343

Thank You ^^ sometimes confused as to what constitutes "vintage" >25 or or >30?  or out of production?

 

Either way the signature on my AKG DF sextett is so weirdly different I am curious as to what I'm missing. 

post #950 of 1343

If you include electrostat's, large list of them and most still better than a large % of stuff on the market including TOTL gear.

post #951 of 1343
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by RUMAY408 View Post
 

What is the best vintage headphone?

Depends. If you're using vintage to refer to headphones no longer in production, then the Sony MDR-R10 takes that spot.

Not Orpheus? (although I'm inclined to agree with R10)

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R10 is far from the best sounding vintage headphone. 

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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post
 

R10 is far from the best sounding vintage headphone. 

Most of us have never even seen one let alone heard one. 

I think it's the added romance of it's rarity, over-hyped value and the story behind it that makes it so desirable.

Also that it doesn't need a huge art-deco amplifier (orpheus) to run. 

 

I didn't realise we were talking about SQ :evil: 

 

TBH - most of the reviews/literature about the R10 is contrary to your statement. I'm intrigued. Care to elaborate?


Edited by GREQ - 10/28/13 at 4:25am
post #954 of 1343

You have to define best sound, unless the question is about the n umber of people that prefer a certain signature.

post #955 of 1343
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You have to define best sound, unless the question is about the n umber of people that prefer a certain signature.

This is as much a subjective debate as it is physiological, because nobody has exactly the same size ear, identical ear anatomy, same depth of ear-canals etc that all affect the way we hear. 

 

There will never be an answer to this. 

post #956 of 1343
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Thank You ^^ sometimes confused as to what constitutes "vintage" >25 or or >30?  or out of production?

 

The word "vintage" comes from wines, which are of two types - everyday table wines, which are drunk within the year of release, and just have the name of the winery on the bottle, and "vintage" wines, which have the year when the grapes were harvested.   So, table wines are only seen when they are new, while "vintage" wines may be kept in a cellar and then brought out to drink later, which often improves the taste.

 

So, the word "vintage" means "something which is older, is characteristic of when it was made, has been stored carefully to preserve it, and is better quality than current disposable items".

 

People who only know words from seeing them in context, get the idea that "vintage" is interchangeable with "retro", and in fact, the "Madmen" TV show seems to have spawned a fad for any sort of clothes or furnishing from older eras.

 

But, technically, Denon D2000 headphones are "vintage", even though only from 5 years ago, because they are no longer sold as new.

post #957 of 1343
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post
 

This is as much a subjective debate as it is physiological, because nobody has exactly the same size ear, identical ear anatomy, same depth of ear-canals etc that all affect the way we hear. 

 

There will never be an answer to this. 

 

As you say at the end, there's no debate if you go by the subjective, just a poll.

post #958 of 1343
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post
 

R10 is far from the best sounding vintage headphone. 

And what do you think is better, good fellow? The R10 is widely believed to be the king... and based on the other vintage TOTL Sony I've heard I'm certainly not going to doubt it without hearing it first.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GREQ View Post
 

This is as much a subjective debate as it is physiological, because nobody has exactly the same size ear, identical ear anatomy, same depth of ear-canals etc that all affect the way we hear. 

 

There will never be an answer to this. 

 

As you say at the end, there's no debate if you go by the subjective, just a poll.

Very true. 

post #959 of 1343
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

And what do you think is better, good fellow? The R10 is widely believed to be the king... and based on the other vintage TOTL Sony I've heard I'm certainly not going to doubt it without hearing it first.

Very true. 

Depends on which perspective you're coming from, closer to reference sound or coloured as schit. I've heard the Uncle Wilson's R10's not sure if bass light or bass heavy at Jaben's after a nice suggestion from our very own etherlite, believe me since I'm a "get as close as neutral type of person", I'd gladly pick an HD800 off an ample rig than the R10's, given that it uses the same biocellulose drivers as my old CD3k, the drivers don't last long, the only thing ever praised about the R10 is the engineering history behind it and it's looks. Sort of the same with the CD1/3k's both of which I've owned as well.

 

This thread is a disgrace without any mention of the vintage electrostat's made by Sony, Stax, (the old Koss ESP6/7/9/10 are no good, except the 950). Get an SR-3/5 which will sound better than a large 95% of vintage headphones made at the same time or released later on, heck for $200 with an adaptor running off a good integrated amp, it sounds better than a large amount of crap on the market today.

 

Ask vid how well his modded Unipolar electrets sound compared to some of the newer stuff his tried.

 

And who said the R10 is widely believe to be the king? That crown goes to the original Omega and the Orpheus.

 

All subjective of course before people start throwing angry sticks and stones at my direction.


Edited by DefQon - 10/28/13 at 10:58pm
post #960 of 1343

I've never heard the R10s to be declared as king either...

If anything, only for the dynamic driver category.

 

I've actually gotten the chance to try an unmodded unipolar and... it certainly has a vintage tone to it (namely warm) with flaws but I love the way they sound. I can imagine that stacking up with proper mods.

 

I really want to try a ECR though. Too bad the only one I can currently find floating on the net is massively overpriced :S

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