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post #421 of 1262
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So mine must be a Sextett as well? I need to replace new pads, foam disk (my current one is DIY), and elastics. Do you know where to obtain such parts?

Again, yes and no - the driver is the same, but only the original K240 was the true sextett: it has 6 passive diaphragms around the main driver which essentially improve bass performance. Also the K241 was the last sextett style headphone with 6 vents instead of diaphragms. Also they are circumaural (around the ears) unlike the K141 which is supra-aural (on the ears).

 

I don't know where to get the elastics, but on the K141 you can also just buy small/thin black girls hair bands. They work absolutely fine and are much cheaper. I also just DIY the inside foam with cotton wool or spare foam I've got lying around.

As long as you don't use something extremely different from stock, the sound doesn't change much. 

If you contact AKG they will point you in the direction of a stockist of older parts in your area, and usually they're not cheap.

post #422 of 1262
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Again, yes and no - the driver is the same, but only the original K240 was the true sextett: it has 6 passive diaphragms around the main driver which essentially improve bass performance. Also the K241 was the last sextett style headphone with 6 vents instead of diaphragms. Also they are circumaural (around the ears) unlike the K141 which is supra-aural (on the ears).

 

Not sure what you mean by Sextett style regarding the K 241. Similar sound signature? The AKG K 250, K 240 DF and K 240 Monitor all used the same exact sound port style as the K 241, although AKG would later start cutting corners with the DF and Monitor and the sound ports got smaller and simpler. But AKG still to this day produce headphones that utilize remnants of the K 241 sound port technology.

 

(And let's not forget the Realistic Pro 50 which the K 250 is often confused with. The Pro 50 was a true Sextett but in a very different cup.)


Edited by vid - 9/15/12 at 3:36am
post #423 of 1262
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They've got an interesting driver. Kinda what AKG did with sound ports, only different... The middle part of the driver on the 2000 is covered by transparent plastic (looks totally transparent in the picture, but it's there - a non-breathable plastic film), then a strange donut with an uneven surface, and finally on the outer layer a woven-type covering. Quite strange - and that driver's ruddy massive as well.

 

post #424 of 1262

Thanks MDR, that' quite awesome. How did you open the baffle? There's something rattling inside mine and it would be interesting to see what it is.

post #425 of 1262
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Not sure what you mean by Sextett style regarding the K 241. Similar sound signature? 

I think what I meant to say is that it was the last headphone to house sextett drivers, but dropped the diaphragms for fabric ports - It was actually the first DF headphone too but the classic K240-DF has overshadowed it.

 

In terms of sound, K241 has less bass than the original sextett, but I like it. I once had an EP sextett which I felt was a bit boomy in the bass for my taste... it wasn't tight like my K241. Also the K241 is WAY better than the later K240 Monitor (gold) which has mostly the same/similar bass and treble, but clearly a much thinner mid-range.  But overall the K241 is more like the Sextett than the later K240 monitor - the mids say it all. 

 

I want to get a K240 DF at some point to compare the three... and just because biggrin.gif

post #426 of 1262

I wouldn't quite so quickly say the K 241 has Sextett drivers. The AKG service doc (http://www.akg.com/mediendatenbank2/psfile/datei/36/K240_m_stu4055d215ac91a.pdf) lists a different driver for the 241 than it does for the Sextett - and the driver listed for the 241 is the same as for the K 250. Although it's not quite that simple either; the driver listed for the Sextett is the same as for the K 240 Monitor, and those two didn't use the same drivers originally (thus that modern service doc is simply saying that Monitor drivers should be used as a replacement when servicing Sextetts, whose original driver stock is long gone). In that light, it's curious that the Monitor driver isn't listed as a replacement driver for the 241 as well, perhaps suggesting that there is a more suitable replacement, again suggesting that the Sextett and 241 used different drivers. And it's quite likely that the Sextett EP/MP versions did, though there's some uncertainty about where the LP version falls.

 

If you're looking for a DF, I might suggest you try to find one of the original versions - the ones with big sound ports. I have a DF with small sound ports (i.e. a later version) and they're not a big step up from the 241. Mainly a better treble and a bit more neutral sound, but the mids aren't as pleasing to my ear, the bass is almost entirely missing compared to the 241 and the 241 in general sound more focused.


Edited by vid - 9/15/12 at 5:48am
post #427 of 1262

My k241 has red drivers, so I assumed it was similar/identical to the red sextett drivers. Interesting stuff. I've got my eye on a DF at the moment, but there's currently no way of knowing the port size until/if I get it.

post #428 of 1262

There is a way of knowing the sound port size with at least some accuracy. If the DF has a plug that looks like the one below (image by Head-Fi user morphsci), then there's a chance it's a first-generation model (or one of them anyway - there were a few versions of the DF with those big sound ports). Also, the earlier versions seem to cost more at the end of the day.

 

My K 241 has red drivers as well, but I'm not sure if that alone means too much. My K 250 comes with white drivers, but their measured frequency response is almost identical to the K 241; with the exception of no bass hump and a bit less brightness. They've both got a pretty telling and extremely deep and narrow dip just past 4 kHz that I've not seen on any other vintage AKG phone - hence my suspicion that the 241 and 250 have their own private niche in terms of which AKG driver they use.


Edited by vid - 9/15/12 at 10:58am
post #429 of 1262

My K141 also has red drivers. So logically speaking, red drivers can mean sextett drivers right?

post #430 of 1262

Red can mean two things: (1) a Sextett driver, or (2) not a Sextett driver. My vintage K 141 has grey drivers, my K 241 has red drivers even though the almost identical K 250 has white drivers, and I've seen red drivers on a K 340 which can't possibly have Sextett drivers and still sound good.

post #431 of 1262

Did your K141 sound like what a Sextett should sound like? Because mine sounds pretty darn good even compared to today's headphones

post #432 of 1262

My 141 sound fun although a bit dark. I compared them once to an LP Sextett that only had one working channel. The 141 had more bass and the Sextett was brighter. All I could say from that comparison.

post #433 of 1262
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My 141 sound fun although a bit dark. I compared them once to an LP Sextett that only had one working channel. The 141 had more bass and the Sextett was brighter. All I could say from that comparison.

Wow, that's a surprise. I didn't think anyone would think the K141 sounded dark.

My set also has the grey drivers and I think they're warmer and generally brighter than the K240/241. The treble isn't actually much brighter, but my k240/241 have more bass so it gives the impression that they're brighter/warmer and smoother.

 

Perhaps this has more to do with the earpads? My k141 has velour pads, which I've heard reduces the bass performance/volume as it doesn't make as good a seal around the ear as pleather. 
What material pads does your k141 have?

post #434 of 1262

The K 141 brighter than the K 241? The 241 is about the brightest phone I've ever heard - a massive 3 kHz peak and a massive 5 kHz peak. How could the 141 be even brighter?! You say the 141 is warmer than the 241, but you also find that the 241 has more bass than the 141.confused.gif

 

The pads on my 141 are pleather - I think they're the modern ones. The foam in the cups isn't original, it looks a bit too thick and could be making my 141 a bit darker than they should be.

post #435 of 1262
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The K 141 brighter than the K 241? The 241 is about the brightest phone I've ever heard - a massive 3 kHz peak and a massive 5 kHz peak. How could the 141 be even brighter?! You say the 141 is warmer than the 241, but you also find that the 241 has more bass than the 141.confused.gif

 

The pads on my 141 are pleather - I think they're the modern ones. The foam in the cups isn't original, it looks a bit too thick and could be making my 141 a bit darker than they should be.

Bright only means more treble than bass... 

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