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post #91 of 172
4/21/09 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by wnmnkh View Post
Hmmm, elrod-tom said they are like refined K-1000 (but more likely they are different beast)

Can't wait compare HD800 with my other phones...
I'm not sure how something can be more "refined" than the K-1000s. There is nothing rough or unrefined about them. I assume "different beast" was what was meant.

Make sure you post impressions when comparing to your phones. I'm not sure the HD800s are for me, but I still enjoy reading about them.
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post #92 of 172
4/21/09 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by elrod-tom View Post
If pushed, I'd say that it sounds like a more refined K1000...but even that isn't quite right. It's a different beast.
Comparisons to the K1000 are making me think that the HD800 might be up my alley. That and the comparisons to the HE60. I am excited to try them.

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Originally Posted by pabbi1
Some of us really prefer the he60 over the OII, as I really can't find the right amp for the OII - Blue Hawaii included,
I like the OII but I am one of those people that prefers the forwardness of the HE60 to the laid back OII.

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Originally Posted by Morph201
It's amazing to think Sony was that far ahead of the curve...
The R10's came out in '89???
A lot of thought and engineering went into the R10. The best headphone designs including HE90, R10, K1000 are all approaching 20 years. Not much has really changed in 20 years. Thats why there is so much excitement for the HD800.

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Originally Posted by Morph201
Yes, and the bubble economy on Japan got crushed shortly, pretty much ended R-10 right on spot (discontinued in 1994 IRCC)

Too bad they could't make any better after R-10....
The last year of production for the R10 was 2004.
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post #93 of 172
4/21/09 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by robm321 View Post
I'm not sure how something can be more "refined" than the K-1000s. There is nothing rough or unrefined about them. I assume "different beast" was what was meant.

Make sure you post impressions when comparing to your phones. I'm not sure the HD800s are for me, but I still enjoy reading about them.

Well, again, all of these infos are not so useful because they are not based on balanced HD800....
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post #94 of 172
4/21/09 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by Canman View Post

A lot of thought and engineering went into the R10. The best headphone designs including HE90, R10, K1000 are all approaching 20 years. Not much has really changed in 20 years. Thats why there is so much excitement for the HD800.

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Well hopefully the HD800 inspires others (in addition to the Ed. 8 and ps1000s) to be just as innovative. Choice is good!
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post #95 of 172
4/21/09 at 5:56pm
Thanks all for comments. I hope the Senn will start to ship the HD-800 soon.
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post #96 of 172
4/21/09 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by wnmnkh View Post
Well, again, all of these infos are not so useful because they are not based on balanced HD800....
The information is extremely useful. A single-ended HD650 sounds very very similar to a balanced HD650, and they are certainly close enough to form an accurate impression as to the sound signtaure and quality regardless of whether it is being used balanced or not.
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post #97 of 172
4/21/09 at 7:18pm
I completely agree with the monkey! LOL that didn't sound right... but I think way to much emphasis has been put on balanced at headfi.

The HD650 had the biggest change when going balanced, other phones were almost unnoticeable that I've tried. In the speaker world some components and speakers actually sound worse balanced.

The HD800 has nothing in common with the HD650 at all in it's design other than the company that makes it, so this assumption that the HD800 will scale when balanced is a stretch unless I missed someone posting about a comparison.

Not only that, but the HD650 balanced sounded... like HD650.
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post #98 of 172
4/21/09 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by thread View Post
Oh, and I learned that you actually don't lose any quality at all going over A2DP
Just to be clear on this bluetooth A2DP: you do loose some quality with A2DP as it is as its a lossy codec used to retransmit your data as the bandwith is not big enought with bluetooth 2.x + EDR. The A2DP standard transmission codec called SBC is how ever very good at HQ setting - usually its the other parts in consumer products that are limiting.
How ever as I wrote else (look around my blog or something) with bluetooth 3.0 there is coming the raw speed to run it and a official supported codec for lossless transmission.

But sounds pretty cool...
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post #99 of 172
4/21/09 at 8:23pm
Sounds like the HD800 is a winner! I am looking for the HE60 sound that can be used with a regular headamp and it sounds like this may do the trick.
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post #100 of 172
4/21/09 at 8:24pm
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Originally Posted by jude View Post
By the way, I say this with some amount of confidence, as that Apache/HD800 setup is at my house now, directly hooked up to the sources, and it sounds better than at the Meet, without a doubt. Of course, this is likely helped by (a) the fact that there's a dedicated AC line for my audio gear here, and (b) I used a dual balanced power setup by BPT to separate analog and digital components.
I'll second this - I took some time to listen to the Apache hooked up only to my home source, and it made a significant difference in what I was hearing.

I wanted to get a good listen to it with some of my own gear, as I'm seriously considering the Apache as my next amp purchase. I liked what I heard.

More later...
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post #101 of 172
4/21/09 at 8:35pm
elrod-tom, could you please elaborate more about the K-1000 vs HD800,which one do you like more?
it's hard for me to belive that a headphones could sound better than earspeakers.
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post #102 of 172
4/21/09 at 10:19pm
Man this has been the best 7 pages in months... Thank you all for the impressions and add-in Shure info etc.... Hopeing to do something like this in Europa some time in the future - gatherings for these type of hobbies are always a blast in my experience Now I needed sleep 2 hours ago... Will go back to plan my world domination on these HD 800 cables rework - neat cable work is an art!
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post #103 of 172
4/21/09 at 11:25pm
Right now, I am seriously ANGRY.

Being the lovely piece of equipment that it is...

I woke up this morning to the sweet smell of burning plastic. The craptastic Zhaolu Headphone amp output had blown a resistor and over heated the rest of them. That, in turn, got to my CD1000's which were hooked up to it over night (I don't like using a tube amp or the beta for right before I go to sleep because of potential over heating). So, it not only destroyed itself because of course, it is hooked up to the output of the DAC chip.....it also killed the left driver of my CD1000!

If someone has a single CD3000 driver, I would be very appreictaive and could pay you for it.

Now, I am DAC-less and at-home-headphone less. Is there someone I can go after for this?

There was a time when I really liked my Zhaolu whioch was about 1 week ago. Now, I want to smash it to little pieces. Especially because it is like I have $800 to shell out on replacements.

So, right now I am analogue-phile and using my ESW9. It isn't so bad....just annoying.
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post #104 of 172
4/21/09 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by -=Germania=- View Post
Zhaolu Headphone amp output had blown a resistor
Is just the headphone amp portion bad? If so, let me know, I have one of the basic (not the upgraded) headphone boards sitting at the shop collecting dust.

Lee
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post #105 of 172
4/22/09 at 12:19am
Oh, that really bites!

I am afraid to keep my gear even plugged in the wall (even if it is off) for fear of this sort of thing... call me paranoid but....

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Originally Posted by -=Germania=- View Post
Right now, I am seriously ANGRY.

Being the lovely piece of equipment that it is...

I woke up this morning to the sweet smell of burning plastic. The craptastic Zhaolu Headphone amp output had blown a resistor and over heated the rest of them. That, in turn, got to my CD1000's which were hooked up to it over night (I don't like using a tube amp or the beta for right before I go to sleep because of potential over heating). So, it not only destroyed itself because of course, it is hooked up to the output of the DAC chip.....it also killed the left driver of my CD1000!

If someone has a single CD3000 driver, I would be very appreictaive and could pay you for it.

Now, I am DAC-less and at-home-headphone less. Is there someone I can go after for this?

There was a time when I really liked my Zhaolu whioch was about 1 week ago. Now, I want to smash it to little pieces. Especially because it is like I have $800 to shell out on replacements.

So, right now I am analogue-phile and using my ESW9. It isn't so bad....just annoying.
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