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Detroit "Mini" Meet - Impressions

post #1 of 172
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OK...it's late, and I need to hit the rack. I've only now got my PC back up and running after a great day spent at the most opulent "mini" meet that you can possibly imagine.

We had a literal embarassment of riches: electrostatic cans (orpheus, HE60, jade) and the new RSA A-10 electrostatic amp; the Sennheiser HD800's, along with some other great cans (Denon D5000's, Sony R10's, Edition 9's, etc) and some great amps (Luxman P-1, B-52, Apache, FET-A, Rudistor, etc...). We also had some terrific sources, including a Meridian and no fewer than 3 Wadias, plus a Lavry DAC, Benchmark DAC1, Rega Saturn, Stello D100, and so on. To call it a mini meet just doesn't seem quite right.

I'm really beat, so I wanted to quickly thank Jude for once again being a great and gracious host. As usual, we had a great crowd (though somewhat limited in number), and we spent plenty of time talking too. This meet was so rich with gear, however, that it was difficult NOT to take advantage of every spare minute.

I'll post impressions tomorrow...g'nite.

2009-04-20 1052 EDT JUDE: Added link to Detroit Mini-Meet 2009 photos.
post #2 of 172
Sleep tight!
..and return with lots of pictures and impressions... he he
post #3 of 172
Wow that's an impressive list of gear...

You must be the only people with money left in Detroit!
post #4 of 172
Sounds like you guys had some cool gear, I cant wait for pictures.
post #5 of 172
Lots of nice stuff. Hope you all had a really good time.
Looking forward to impressions and photos.
post #6 of 172
Where are the impressions?what time is it in the USA?
post #7 of 172
Dag on! with such a list of gear available I am surprised you were not mugged! Look forward to the meet impressions.
post #8 of 172
I'm jealous! Would love to think we could organize a minimeet with that sort of quality here in Stockholm one day. Really looking forward to the impressions and hoping for some pics...
post #9 of 172
I find your lack of impressions disturbing.
post #10 of 172
The silence is almost as "horrendous" as that of Sennheiser themselves regarding the release of the HD800
post #11 of 172
Copying my post from the other thread:

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Originally Posted by thread View Post
I had a great time. Big thanks to everyone who showed up today.

Someone had asked me to try the HD800's on my RPX-33 rig, and I've found them to sound really excellent on the amp with great bass extension and amazing transients. The HD800 is a very fast headphone, so you can pick up plenty of detail and texture.

Of course, they seemed to sound great on any of the high end amps we had at our disposal (Apache, Luxman P-1 are the ones I recall trying myself).

I hope I made the right choice (for me) when I preordered the Edition 8's. The good news is that I'll have the chance to side-by-side them with the HD800's.
It was great to finally meet Stacey (Germania). She's working on a bluetooth receiver that will let you listen to music streaming (A2DP) off your iPhone/iPod Touch. (Of course the iPhone OS doesn't support A2DP currently... It is the upcoming 3.0 version that will enable this.) Cool stuff, though! If I had an iPhone, I'd be very interested in this. Oh, and I learned that you actually don't lose any quality at all going over A2DP.

Ray took up a wall of the room with his whole line of big-boy amps: A-10 (with HE-60/HE-90/Jade), B-52, and Apache. My first intro to balanced phones was last meet when Ray brought his Apache and elrod-tom brought his HR balanced desktop, but yesterday was the first time I'd heard electrostatics. They were very impressive, but I would have no idea how much of it to attribute to the A-10. I said to Ray that I'd heard electrostats are bass-shy, and I wouldn't feel the same about what I was hearing, and he suggested that his amp might be helping with that. I felt the HE-90 (Orpheus) was sweet, sweet, while the HE-60 sounded quite similar, but missing some flavor of the '90. The Jade was really quite nice also, but just not the same as the Senns. I asked Ray, and apparently the only 'stat phones in production today are the Jade from China and the offerings from Stax. What a shame...

It was just fun chatting with everyone and sharing our gear. Fred (holdendebeans), Darren (Morph201), Murugesh, Jeff -- good seeing you all.

Thank you, Jude, for putting it on!

If anyone wants to hear the Edition 8's, let me know. I should have them soon, and Jude and I may set up a quick mini.

Till next time!
post #12 of 172
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OK...so I think that the way that I'll start out is by commenting on some of the things that really made me say WOW!

The first thing was the Sennheiser HD800. I'd had some exposure to these cans at an earlier mini meet, and I must say that I was prepared to be less than blown away. I'm a fan of the HD600 in balanced configuration, but I've always felt that the HD650 was tonally not as natural in its presentation. Had the HD800 simply been more of the same, and then some, it would not have been my cup of tea.

Well, the long and short of that was that it's nothing like the HD650, or HD600 for that matter. It's something completely different. It's speed and effortless presentation reminded me more of what I'd heard of electrostatic cans than anything dynamic. (NOTE - In beginning composition, they refer to that as "foreshadowing"...stay tuned ).

The last time around, I was able to listen to the HD800 with my home source (Wadia 830 w/ iTransport), but with an amp (Jude's Raptor) that, though I like it a lot, I'm not incredibly familiar with at this point. Well, this time I had an opportunity to listen to the HD800 in several amps, including the RSA Apache (with a Meridian 508) and a TTVJ FET-A (with my Wadia). I must say, both amps performed very well indeed. I'll be discussing both amps at greater length later.

Then I happened upon Jude's barely street-legal Wadia 301 (GNSC mods with Wadia P mod), paired with his Luxman P-1 amp. I saddled up to it with my stack of MOFI CD's and sat down for a good long listen.

First up, Marvin Gaye's What's Going On. On the first track, "What's Going On", the opening sax and bass leaped out at me in such a way that it was almost startling. I've heard this track in several versions over the years, and I've been making particular use of it lately when actively listening...it gives a great sense of the "room size" if you will. Up until now, I had not heard it presented in such a natural way. The bass guitar sounded natural and effortless...not a touch of boom or bloom about it. The various instruments blended with the vocals without getting lost in the shuffle...and not a bit of distortion to be heard. Former Detroit Lions Lem Barney and Mel Farr never sounded so good as background singers (no...I'm NOT making that up. Read the liner notes on the Deluxe Edition).

Then I found my way to the Cowboy Junkies' long OOP Whites off the Earth Now! for a listen. I found my way to this CD as a fan of the Cowboy Junkies in general, but when it popped up in the MOFI catalog I'd never heard it...or even heard OF it. Then some folks whose opinions I respect wrt such things started talking about it a little bit as an album, and I decided to take a flyer on it. Well, anyone interested in an exceptionally well-done work should run out and find this one ASAP!! This is IMHO the best recorded, best mastered, best sounding CD that I own. One of these days I hope to hear it on a really top-notch SACD rig. For now, however, the good folks at MOFI did an exceptional job with the redbook layer.

My favorite track on the whole album is a cover of the old blues classic "Baby Please Don't Go". The album is worth the cost for this track alone (but think of all the "bonus" tracks that come with it). It opens with a slow, smoky bass line...handled with impact and ease by the HD800's in this particular rig. Then comes the gorgeous hollow-body guitar...you can practically feel the texture of the strings on your fingers. Then a quick strum accross the strings that sounded like a gunshot in the distance.

Holy ****!! Wowee...we've got something going on here for real!!

Then came Margo Timmins' opening wail..."oh no bay-beee PLEEEASE doh-on't go-oh".

DAMN!!!

Jude!! Jude!! You've got to hear this!!

Same reaction.

As was the case with just about everyone who heard this track on that rig...

I also listened to it on several other rigs, and enjoyed it very much indeed. That said, there's something about that particular combination of components that really blew me away. Never fail to consider the impact of synergy, I guess. Between the clean, precise power and speed of the modded Wadia 301, and the exceptional power and incredibly resolving background of the single-ended Luxman (more on this amp later), I feel like we found the ideal pairing for the lightning fast, power hungry Sennheiser HD800's.

Lately, I've been doing most of my listening on balanced rigs. I'm finding that soundstaging and bass presentation sound much more natural to me, which I attribute to a doubling of the amplifying power and resulting improvement in speed and impact. What I'm finding, however, is that sufficient power in a single-ended amp will mostly suffice. Such was the case with the HD800 and the Luxman P-1. It was as impressive a pairing as I've heard.

What did I take from all this?

Well, I'm thinking I may just have to get my GNSC modded Wadia 830 a P-Mod when I get my new input board installed (hopefully before too long). I wish I'd have had an opportunity to compare the two to get some feel for just how much difference it really makes. My impression is a lot.

I'm also really, really, really looking forward to hearing from folks regarding the HD800 in balance configuration...and to hearing it myself in same. I'm going to have to get a pair of these in fairly short order, for sure. Unfortunately, I think I've overspent my allowance a bit lately.

BTW - we did do some A/B listening with Ray's HD600's balanced with military wiring, and I've got to tell you the HD600 does drive nicely in balanced termination. Now, I sometimes get a little goosey with balancing. I have found that some cans that I love as single-ended (e.g. AKG K701) I just don't care for at all as balanced cans. My hope is that this is not the case with the Sennheiser HD800's...my initial thoughts are that it won't be the case, but I look forward to hearing from folks about this.

NEXT UP: the HE90, paired with the RSA A-10 electrostatic amp.
post #13 of 172
Maybe some words about HD 800 vs Orpheus?
post #14 of 172
Hi all,
Sounds like this was a meet full of fantastic gear. Can't wait to see pics.

Did the Topaz and Emerald make an appearance?
post #15 of 172
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Maybe some words about HD 800 vs Orpheus?
Patience...
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