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post #31 of 426
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Originally Posted by Audio-Omega View Post
What brands are they at $1000 and $2000 ?
My current one is Transparent Ultra (12 years old!) and the new one is Transparent Reference. I was rounding my original figures. A more accurate current retail price is more like $1,250 and $2,400 respectively.

Transparent are one of those companies where the next level up is double or more. Their top models are up there in Patrick's Judge territory, but I'll never know what they can do. Current level is good enough for at least 24 years.
post #32 of 426
i've got a whole bunch of interconnects at home and they all sound different to me, but that doesn't mean some are better than others

kimber pbj - good entry level cable. strong mids, rolled off highs, overall a little muddy but warm
kimber silver streak - good step up from pbj. much more clarity and detail. highs are crisp but lose a bit on the low end. voices seem more vibrant
nordost red dawn - great for complicated material. has most of the qualities of the silver streak but the cable is "fast" which makes everything crisper. has that special "air" that the silver streak lacks on vocals
mac palladium - haven't spent enough time with it


keep in mind all of this is tested using speakers
they sound about the same on headphones
post #33 of 426
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Originally Posted by endless402 View Post
i've got a whole bunch of interconnects at home and they all sound different to me, but that doesn't mean some are better than others

kimber pbj - good entry level cable. strong mids, rolled off highs, overall a little muddy but warm
kimber silver streak - good step up from pbj. much more clarity and detail. highs are crisp but lose a bit on the low end. voices seem more vibrant
nordost red dawn - great for complicated material. has most of the qualities of the silver streak but the cable is "fast" which makes everything crisper. has that special "air" that the silver streak lacks on vocals
mac palladium - haven't spent enough time with it


keep in mind all of this is tested using speakers
they sound about the same on headphones
Would you be offended if someone told you its impossible for the cables to sound different and that the differences you hear are all placebo?
post #34 of 426
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post
Would you be offended if someone told you its impossible for the cables to sound different and that the differences you hear are all placebo?
Why do you feel the necessity to perpetuate the flame wars?

Why not keep on topic?
post #35 of 426
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Originally Posted by 883dave View Post
Why do you feel the necessity to perpetuate the flame wars?

Why not keep on topic?
I didnt know your name was endless402.
post #36 of 426
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Originally Posted by mark_h View Post
exactly.
post #37 of 426
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Originally Posted by endless402 View Post
i've got a whole bunch of interconnects at home....

kimber pbj - good entry level cable. strong mids, rolled off highs, overall a little muddy but warm
A cable that actually rolls off the highs would be quite a thing.

I would be genuinely interested to see evidence of such a feat. You can empirically test this. I devised a protocol to find out how different the frequency responses of different cables are. I was unable to find any two cables that were notably not flat, but the possibility does exist.

Would you be so kind as to do a test on your cables.

The protocol is as follows. Connect the analog outs from any CD player to the RCA inputs on an ADC connected to your computer (I would be happy to lend you my Behringer) and record the same sample (I use Audacity) (I also have a CD of test samples) 10 times , crop to a uniform length, and align each sample to within +/- 1/100,000 of a second this part is a bit labourious, then generate a spectrum analyis for each repetition, once you have ten such spectra for each cable import them into Excel and average the 10 samples for each cable. this will let you see the differences at each frequency , I use 2048 FFT sampling for this which generates about 929 data points between 6hz and 20004hz.

You can then plot the levels against frequency in excel and get a neat graph showing the differences. So if one cable has a roll off compared to the other it will show up clearly, the best sample to choose is a white noise sample which is a pseudo random mix of all audible frequencies, this is on my sample CD.
post #38 of 426
^ i'll try that tonight if i have time and can find the software

olblueyez: it sounds different to me. got my gf to plug in the cables so i didnt know which ones were connected. she just randomly switched inputs and i listened to the same song. theyre all different.


i also went to my friend's house where he has the top of the line denon transport and amp on b&w 803 and tested digital coax cables. i didn't beleive that they would sound different but they do. we were listening to" jazz at the pawnshop". my QED SR75 were muddier than his cable. it was difficult to seperate each intstrument on it.

i didnt beleive till i heard it. weird. quite a big difference
post #39 of 426
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^ i'll try that tonight if i have time and can find the software
Great. Audacity is free Audacity: Free Audio Editor and Recorder and it has a white noise generator, so you just need to burn a few seconds of white noise to a CD-R and you are good to go.
post #40 of 426
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Great. Audacity is free Audacity: Free Audio Editor and Recorder and it has a white noise generator, so you just need to burn a few seconds of white noise to a CD-R and you are good to go.
will do. my dac doesnt have a volume control and from what i remember, if i feed the analogue outputs back into my m-audio, it clips it a bit since the signal is too loud?


too bad science cant measure the difference in the soundstage and detail resolution.
post #41 of 426
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Originally Posted by endless402 View Post
will do. my dac doesnt have a volume control and from what i remember, if i feed the analogue outputs back into my m-audio, it clips it a bit since the signal is too loud?
If you feed the analog output from your CD player to your ADC and it is too loud you can adjust for this. Audacity has an "Effect" menu which has an "amplify" option, you can use this to lower the volume of the white noise sample before you burn it to CD, if you drop it by 6db that should be fine.
post #42 of 426
i'll just output from my m-audio and route it back into the input and skip my dacmagic

dont have a cd player other than the pc lol
post #43 of 426
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Originally Posted by endless402 View Post
^ dont have a cd player
i'll just output from my m-audio and route it back into the input and skip my dacmagic

dont have a cd player other than the pc lol
Okay, even easier !

Look forward to seeing your results. I suggest a 5 second white noise sample, that is more than enough, but all 10 repetitions must be the exact same length and aligned to 1/100,000 th of a sec, this takes a bit of effort.

What I do is I edit the first recording to the right length and use that as a reference so that when I edit the later samples I compare them against the reference. Looking for the same patterns in the waveforms and cutting small bits out of the start of the seciond file until they line up, then delete the spare at the end of the second file and so on...
post #44 of 426
isnt it better to do some kind of frequency sweep or something
post #45 of 426
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post
Would you be offended if someone told you its impossible for the cables to sound different and that the differences you hear are all placebo?

nope! i enjoy proving my friends wrong when they say that and then they come over and listen

i'm sure you hear the differences in cables as well :P


but the digital coax was the one i didnt believe in till recently
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