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post #31 of 57
Brighten nailed it there. The "i" version is crisper, with better treble extension. The older versions are richer, and more full bodied with less spashy treble. It just depends on what you want. After I got used to my vintage pair with flats, I can't really go back to bowls.
post #32 of 57
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Originally Posted by winwin View Post
Check out this thread, our local thread here in the Philippines, someone here has i think 3 RS1s. RS1i
Said headphiles.org thread has a signal/noise ratio of virtually zero
post #33 of 57
dunno what on earth any of ya'll were listening to, but the Rs1i's I got are very clearly upgraded from my vintage '96 pair that i bought new and used for most of a decade. bass is tighter and sweeter; highs are more transparent; both are further extended. they are a faster headphone. they are certainly RS1's, but they are certainly improved. i would not trade mine for any older vinatge pair. it would be a slight DOWNGRADE.

also cable weight has not even been noticable to me at any time that i've been using them and i'm the friggin princess and the pea when it comes to comfort.

also, "cried wolf"? about what? Grado has been delivering in their cartdridge and headphone lines like no other company in terms of putting out fairly inexpensive entry level equipment at prices way below the value delivered. that is an indisputable fact of the industry, Joe did it quite famously with carts and John followed with the SR60, which was kept at the same price for over a decade while everyone else's prices increased (including the koss porta-pro, that other entry level bargain).

you don't have to like Grado's. I could care less, but to insinuate that John Grado has ever not delivered the goods, except for some finish quality control issues (which judging from my RS1i's are under control) just ain't right.
post #34 of 57

Bumping this thread for some further, more recent impressions as I am looking at the RS1/RS1i atm and trying to decide the way to go for rock/indie/ambient music.

post #35 of 57
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Originally Posted by matthewh133 View Post

Bumping this thread for some further, more recent impressions as I am looking at the RS1/RS1i atm and trying to decide the way to go for rock/indie/ambient music.


Yeah, the RS-1 is most likely going to be my next headphone, so I do have a special interest as well. Sadly, I've only heard one briefly at a meet.

post #36 of 57

I am able to check out the RS1i locally, but unfortunately, because of obvious reasons, not able to try the HF2 or RS1.

post #37 of 57

I completely agree.  I had a Grado RS1 (button version) and I just got to listen to the Grado RS1i, it's really noticeable.  There is more treble detail.  But that's not all, not only is the bass tighter but more of it.  Before, with the RS1, the only way to get the bass I wanted was to put the flats on (but that sacrificed the treble); now I have that amount of bass with bowls on the RS1i (without losing the detail you get from bowls).  That's quite of difference. 
 

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dunno what on earth any of ya'll were listening to, but the Rs1i's I got are very clearly upgraded from my vintage '96 pair that i bought new and used for most of a decade. bass is tighter and sweeter; highs are more transparent; both are further extended. they are a faster headphone. they are certainly RS1's, but they are certainly improved. i would not trade mine for any older vinatge pair. it would be a slight DOWNGRADE.

also cable weight has not even been noticable to me at any time that i've been using them and i'm the friggin princess and the pea when it comes to comfort.

also, "cried wolf"? about what? Grado has been delivering in their cartdridge and headphone lines like no other company in terms of putting out fairly inexpensive entry level equipment at prices way below the value delivered. that is an indisputable fact of the industry, Joe did it quite famously with carts and John followed with the SR60, which was kept at the same price for over a decade while everyone else's prices increased (including the koss porta-pro, that other entry level bargain).

you don't have to like Grado's. I could care less, but to insinuate that John Grado has ever not delivered the goods, except for some finish quality control issues (which judging from my RS1i's are under control) just ain't right.
post #38 of 57

Apparently yeah, there's tighter bass and nicer treble on the RS1i, from what I have read. Though, you are sacrificing the better mids of the older RS1. So it's kind of a preference thing is what I am gathering..

post #39 of 57

It's not just tighter bass but more of it.  Not to mentioned more extended treble.  But yes, the midrange is less warm or think on the newer models. 

Here's a Amazon reviewer: I felt he really hit it with his review. 
 

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Amazon reviewer:
All I can say is WOW! The changes in the drivers, cables and wood (there might be other physical changes that I am not aware of) result in the range being extended from lows to highs quite noticeably, and they are stunners. 

As I told my daughter (a happy Grado SR60 owner and sharer of my RS1's since the age of 10 - she's 23 tomorrow -and currently enjoying HF1's) "These are NOT your fathers RS1's"! 

Sort of... I'm still her Dad but the RS1i's themselves are not exactly what she grew up listening to. They are faster (resolving notes more quickly with zero smudging of sounds/tones together), with 'more bettter' bass (tighter, sweeter, more controlled and deeper), highs that are more transparent and do go on and on, the famous Grado midrange beautifully apparent (although perhaps a tiny TAD less coloured - though that may be simply be a function of their being heard in the context of the extended highs). And I guess it's a result of all that there is even more detail now to boot. Despite these changes there is no mistaking these for some other headphone, they are RS1(i)'s through and through. And all these delicious sounds are presented in a beautiful (to me perfect) balance. 

These are amazing headphones, as were the originals. Noone who loves the traditional Grado "house sound" need shell out to those charging crasy high prices for the "vintage" Rs1's to get in on the mojo. THESE are the real deal(in fact even better than) and they sell for suggested retail (and a bit less used of course if you can find someone willing to let them go. hey, don't look at ME!). 

I gave up a pair of Grado PS1's which I thought were the ultimate embodiment of the RS1 style Grado house sound. They were a bit too heavy for me to listen to for really extended periods or I'd have never sold them. I had thought I'd still be pining for them but would "get by" with a new pair of RS1's. RS1i's to the rescue!! The Rs1i is 
SO great a pair of cans that I am not looking back to the PS1's at all - only closing my eyes and listening to the music
post #40 of 57

Hmm. I'm currently looking at a buttoned RS1 and a RS1i, both used. Such a hard choice, I had thought the RS1 was the way to go, but a few people here now saying they thing the RS1i are the way to go.. Bah! I hate choices..

post #41 of 57

Look for a button-less RS1.

They're supposed to be middle ground between the old and the new.

 

I have right now 2 sets of RS1 - one vintage button and one button-less.

Really hard to make my choice, but I'm leaning more and more towards the newer version.

The old RS1 seems more at home with rock music, where I prefer it by quite some margin. Excellent PRAT and punch.

 

The button-less RS1 is IMO more flexible and less genre-dependent than the older version. It throws a larger soundstage with more precise imaging and seems more neutral/natural.

I even enjoy it very much with classical music, as it is has such different presentation compared to my usual headphones (O2 and K501). Very captivating and engaging.


Edited by audiofil - 9/24/10 at 6:03am
post #42 of 57

With my old pair for RS1 (with buttons) I could only listen to it with rock, acoustic, vocal, folk, jazz, classical..  Never pop, or hip hop or dance, but I got to say, the RS1i, is not too bad with all the other genre. 

Grado has really done something interesting...meaning while it can do rock like before, it is able to do other genre as well. 

post #43 of 57

I am leaning towards the RS1i over the RS1 atm, though what people have been saying about the mids are worrying me a bit.. I am a guitarist so I like my guitar to sound great with my rock/indie. Also vocals are equally important. That being said, I love the sound of more, punchy bass on the RS1i. What exactly is the issue with the mids on the newer RS1i's over the RS1 buttonless? The buttonless RS1 and the RS1i are what I seem to be tossing up between atm..

post #44 of 57

Use the bowls for most applications but when you want more mids...this is when your pull out the flat pads.  So I suggest RS1i and get Flats (from ttvj.com) for the times when you want more mids. 
 

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Originally Posted by matthewh133 View Post

I am leaning towards the RS1i over the RS1 atm, though what people have been saying about the mids are worrying me a bit.. I am a guitarist so I like my guitar to sound great with my rock/indie. Also vocals are equally important. That being said, I love the sound of more, punchy bass on the RS1i. What exactly is the issue with the mids on the newer RS1i's over the RS1 buttonless? The buttonless RS1 and the RS1i are what I seem to be tossing up between atm..

post #45 of 57

Thanks for the reply. I am assuming you have the RS1i? Are the mids that recessed that you have to switch pads if you want them to be good?

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