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post #31 of 152

Re: Vintage Marantz equipment

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Originally posted by mkmelt
Glad to hear you finally received your Marantz receiver. I could not understand from your post if the static you heard was coming from the FM radio tuner or in the amplifier section. Perhaps the balance and volume controls noisy.

Although they might be worn out, they could just need to be cleaned by someone who takes the time to do it properly. If the first repair shop can't seem to fix the problem, don't give up on the unit, try another shop.

You might have some corrosion on the RCA jacks. Try plugging and unplugging the left and right cables from your CD player several times to make a good contact.

When you get the unit back, please provide a more detailed review of the performance of the Marantz driving the HD-600s.
mkmelt,

The static is coming from the amp section, not the tuner. The repair shop told me they cleaned the pots, but obviously they missed something since the problem still appears (but this time from the right channel only). They have the unit again; hopefully this time they'll get to the bottom of the problem. If not, it's off to find another repair shop. . . .

I use the other Marantz unit, the 2226B, as my headphone system. I use it about 95-97% of the time with the K-1000s and the Marantz CD-67SE (connected by an Outlaw cable). I really like the combination; I think the Marantz does a fine job driving the K-1000s. While I have noticed a somewhat "overbearing" top end (for lack of a better description), it has decreased over time as I've burned in the K-1000s more. I do love the detail and expansive soundstage; things like a string quartet and piano (listen to Glenn Gould on these phones--it's magic and utterly realistic). The piano has great depth and scope. I've not had much of a problem with the lack of deep bass since I don't listen to much rock, etc. that relies more on deep bass. However, the 1000s do an excellent job with, say, an acoustic bass. The lack of "slam" does not bother me in the least, given the other benefits the K-1000s provide.

I've only listened to the Senn 600s/Cardas combination on the Marantz 2226B about 2-3 times, so I can't really say that I've given the combination an extensive listen. However, the combination does compare favorably to my Senn/Corda HA-1 combination. I think the Corda provides a more detailed top end and overall "cleaner" presentation, but the Marantz/Senns get you about 80% of the way there. Not bad at all--I like having the option of using the Marantz on occasion. Again, while I bought the Marantz to use primarily with the K-1000s, I'm happy that I have an added bonus in that I can use it with the Senn 600s and be happy with the combination.

I hope this helps. Again, thanks for all your help and advice with my purchase. I'll give you an update on the 2238B when I get it back from the shop.
post #32 of 152
I've just unpacked my Fisher 400, and it's working...more to come
post #33 of 152
Quote:
Originally posted by Hirsch
I've just unpacked my Fisher 400, and it's working...more to come
Wow! What condition is it in? Have you hooked up the K-1000s yet?

I'll trade you two Marantz' and 17 players to be named later. . . .
post #34 of 152
You also might want to look at some of the old Lux-Luxman stuff....pre 1985 before Alpine bought them.

You can check out a lot of the old classic Lux, Marantz, MacIntosh, Fisher, etc. stuff

HERE
post #35 of 152
Don't forget you can make your own "vintage" amps... bottlehead.com, hndme.com, welbornelabs.com, angela.com and many others can sell you everything you need to build your own amplifier.

Cons:
High voltage - dangerous if you are careless
Expense - a vintage Fisher may well be cheaper, even after restoration
Time consuming if you want to do it right
Low resale value if you get bored with it

Pros:
Choose exactly the power output/topology you want
Learn more about amplifiers that you ever would with a book
It sounds as good as you care to make it
Nothing beats the satisfaction you get from listening to your own amp
No troubleshooting in an unfamilar circuit
Avoid eBay
Compared to solid state, tube amps are very simple

(does anyone have a vintage tuner that isn't being used? I'm not up to building one of those.)
post #36 of 152
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Originally posted by aeberbach

Pros:
Avoid eBay
Although I've had good luck with other things, I've learned this the hard way on ebay. The descriptions (especially of problems) of two Marantz amps that I've won have been somewhat different than what I've received. Let the buyer beware, eh?
post #37 of 152
Don't get me started! Feedback 107 and counting, but some bad experiences along the way.

Most memorable was buying a Rolleiflex medium format camera. Although the seller "knew nothing about cameras" it was in "great condition"... except for all the sand in it, and the initials scratched twice into the paint. I complained, got a partial refund and resold it with 12 very large and clear pictures and described the camera accurately - and I ended up making $150 on the deal. I had to buy six before finding two that really are worth keeping and using.

Least memorable are the idiots. Like the kid with 0 feedback that bid my Playstation 2 up to something like $900 - when the ad said five times "DO NOT BID IF YOU HAVE 0 FEEDBACK" - and then sent an email saying "sell it 2 me for less u know its worth $200" - and when I didn't I got negative feedback! These days I just put anyone with 0 feedback into the banned sellers list. They're usually a waste of time.

And then there are the idiots. People who call everything "RARE!!! COLLECTIBLE!!! WOW!!! !!LOOK!!" People with names like "gooeyduck" who feel that putting their name in the title of the auction is helpful - "Oh look, it's gooeyduck, I better buy something from him!" The absolutely witless drooling morons. The ones that include half a page of "tributes" to the brave heroes of NYFD while trying to sell you some crap that may have run over by a semi for all you can see in the picture but of course is sold "as is, no refunds". You know the ones... borders made up of animated GIFs of dancing teddy bears, walking UPS men, and waving flags, embedded music composed by jingle writers who were fired for incompetence, comet cursors of clocks. And how could I forget that guy that sells the "BANNED CD WANTED BY FBI" etc. etc., and includes every keyword you can imagine in his advertisements so that it comes up every time you search.

And back to tube amps - I have to share this, from my new book "Valve Amplifiers" by the one and only Morgan Jones. On turning on a new amplifier for the first time:

"The author always assumes at this stage that when power is applied the amplifier will explode, or at the very least, catch fire. It does not, therefore, make sense to stand with your face over the amplifier, or to place it in the middle of a pile of inflammable debris".

Love that dry wit :-) It's a good book, full of "Aha!" moments.
post #38 of 152
Quote:
Originally posted by aeberbach
Don't get me started! Feedback 107 and counting, but some bad experiences along the way.

Most memorable was buying a Rolleiflex medium format camera. Although the seller "knew nothing about cameras" it was in "great condition"... except for all the sand in it, and the initials scratched twice into the paint. I complained, got a partial refund and resold it with 12 very large and clear pictures and described the camera accurately - and I ended up making $150 on the deal. I had to buy six before finding two that really are worth keeping and using.

Least memorable are the idiots. Like the kid with 0 feedback that bid my Playstation 2 up to something like $900 - when the ad said five times "DO NOT BID IF YOU HAVE 0 FEEDBACK" - and then sent an email saying "sell it 2 me for less u know its worth $200" - and when I didn't I got negative feedback! These days I just put anyone with 0 feedback into the banned sellers list. They're usually a waste of time.

And then there are the idiots. People who call everything "RARE!!! COLLECTIBLE!!! WOW!!! !!LOOK!!" People with names like "gooeyduck" who feel that putting their name in the title of the auction is helpful - "Oh look, it's gooeyduck, I better buy something from him!" The absolutely witless drooling morons. The ones that include half a page of "tributes" to the brave heroes of NYFD while trying to sell you some crap that may have run over by a semi for all you can see in the picture but of course is sold "as is, no refunds". You know the ones... borders made up of animated GIFs of dancing teddy bears, walking UPS men, and waving flags, embedded music composed by jingle writers who were fired for incompetence, comet cursors of clocks. And how could I forget that guy that sells the "BANNED CD WANTED BY FBI" etc. etc., and includes every keyword you can imagine in his advertisements so that it comes up every time you search.

And back to tube amps - I have to share this, from my new book "Valve Amplifiers" by the one and only Morgan Jones. On turning on a new amplifier for the first time:

"The author always assumes at this stage that when power is applied the amplifier will explode, or at the very least, catch fire. It does not, therefore, make sense to stand with your face over the amplifier, or to place it in the middle of a pile of inflammable debris".

Love that dry wit :-) It's a good book, full of "Aha!" moments.
You've made my day with this post. Not that I'm amused that you've had bad luck, but my experiences have been similar to yours. One of the guys who sold me one of the "in perfect condition" but "purchase as is" Marantz receivers told me, when I wrote to complain, that I could "return it if I'd like, for a refund, because you know I can get more for it if I relist it." Truth in advertising, eh?

BTW--the book you mention sounds interesting--what't the title?

Lastly, I would love to try and bid on a vintage tube Fisher amp, but given my experiences with the Marantz units I'm afraid that I will end up with a lemon.
post #39 of 152
Quote:
Originally posted by aeberbach


And back to tube amps - I have to share this, from my new book "Valve Amplifiers" by the one and only Morgan Jones. On turning on a new amplifier for the first time:

"The author always assumes at this stage that when power is applied the amplifier will explode, or at the very least, catch fire. It does not, therefore, make sense to stand with your face over the amplifier, or to place it in the middle of a pile of inflammable debris".

Love that dry wit :-) It's a good book, full of "Aha!" moments.
Forget my previous post--you've listed the title of the book.

I guess, though, that he wasn't talking about an amp won on ebay, because there is a greater than even chance that it wouldn't work when turned on.
post #40 of 152
I have a confession to make……………… I’m always talking about my Fisher 500C and how it’s so great. (It is!)
HOWEVER I own an old Marantz 2230 receiver! Gasp! Got it from E-pay. It looked like it had spent some time in a cement mixer, but it sounds nice. I agree with FCJ, the vintage Marantz headphone out is not bad even for Sennheiser 600’s, my Grados sound fantastic through it.
I’ve replaced all the lamps (3 kinds of bulbs) the speaker binding posts and the power cord. Those simple mods have made a positive diferance. Especially the power cord mod.

FCJ, try replacing the binding posts and the power cord! For the small cost I think you will be very pleased. It's about an hour job. Next I plan to replace the power transitors 4X ~$12.00 each.
Keep us posted on how they sound..........Dan
post #41 of 152
Quote:
Originally posted by Dan H
FCJ, try replacing the binding posts and the power cord! For the small cost I think you will be very pleased. It's about an hour job. Next I plan to replace the power transitors 4X ~$12.00 each.
Keep us posted on how they sound..........Dan
Dan,

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I'm not knowledgeable enough to make the mod myself. Possibly the shop can do it while it's being repaired.

While I've listened to it only a couple of times, I agree that the headphone jack is the Marantz' "secret weapon." Which Grados are you using?
post #42 of 152
Audio Research had some great amps during the nineteen- eighties ( and they still do ). You can also find them for a lot less money than a McIntosh.
post #43 of 152
ooooooooppps, I think I am in the wrong thread...maybe not, nevermind.
post #44 of 152
Will somebody (Tuberoller f.e.) be able to compare Marantz 2235 vs. Advent 300 especially tuner and headamp.
Tnx
post #45 of 152
Quote:
Originally posted by aeberbach
"The author always assumes at this stage that when power is applied the amplifier will explode, or at the very least, catch fire. It does not, therefore, make sense to stand with your face over the amplifier, or to place it in the middle of a pile of inflammable debris".

I always use a variac to bring up the voltage the first time I power up a component to try and avoid surprises. Especially if it's a vintage piece that's been sitting a long time. I have heard a lot of stories of people finding a vintage tube component, plugging it in, slamming it with 110 volts and then "poof" smoking the piece and then figuring it was no good anyways. You need to bring the voltage up slowly over many hours to reform the caps. Treat it nice and it will treat you nice.

I agree with those of you who say the headphone jack sounds pretty good out of the Marantz receivers. Really good sound and way better than what you get from a modern receiver that weighs less than ten pounds and has a transformer that is so small you need a magnifying glass to find it.
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