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post #16 of 3805
robm321 please compare them to K-1000 if you can ,thank you.
post #17 of 3805
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Originally Posted by pearljam5000 View Post
What amazes me is how a headphone that is so old technology wise could sound better than modern cans?i couldn't belive it until i had my K-1000 which are relativley "old" compared to newer models,but they did sound better than anything else i heard.

Are they still the same 1950's phones or has Beyer been quietly making upgrades to materials all along? I imagine better materials would be worked into any phone that is still in demand, especially for professional applications.
post #18 of 3805
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Originally Posted by pearljam5000 View Post
What amazes me is how a headphone that is so old technology wise could sound better than modern cans?i couldn't belive it until i had my K-1000 which are relativley "old" compared to newer models,but they did sound better than anything else i heard.
Kinda reminds of my favorite plane the SR-71 Blackbird. It's stealth technology and Mach 3 speed was way ahead of it's time hard to believe it's first flight was 1964.
post #19 of 3805
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Originally Posted by pearljam5000 View Post
What amazes me is how a headphone that is so old technology wise could sound better than modern cans?i couldn't belive it until i had my K-1000 which are relativley "old" compared to newer models,but they did sound better than anything else i heard.
Like I stated before.. The only phones I heard that made me go, wow, these are really special are the K1000 & the 48a/e.
post #20 of 3805
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Originally Posted by Jap View Post

Are they still the same 1950's phones or has Beyer been quietly making upgrades to materials all along? I imagine better materials would be worked into any phone that is still in demand, especially for professional applications.
I doubt the 48a has changed much.. & is probably closer to the original Eugene Beyer/48s. The 48e has many variations.. different ohms. 8/25/200. Some have a coiled cable..Straight cable. 1/4 connector. 1/8 connector. dual entry. single entry.
post #21 of 3805
I really can't decide what to get(i can't audition them anyware)
thinking of DT4E-25,DT48E-200,or DT48A
what especialy worries me,is that i read somewhere on head fi that they make everything sound like AM radio.i mean i like clean,pure,accurate sound with no color,but i'm worried it would be maybe too much.
i'm mostly looking for detailed and most important realistic sound(which is rare to find in headphones)
i mean i was blown away by thom yorke's voice on my K-1000,he sounded like a real human being,on my K701,he sounded accurate but kind of dead,"flat"i can't really describe it.
post #22 of 3805
The 48a does sound like am.. The 48e 25ohm I have sound like a fm/am hybrid... The sound was meant for the highest fidelity possible, not for a pleasant sound.
post #23 of 3805
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Originally Posted by pearljam5000 View Post
what especialy worries me,is that i read somewhere on head fi that they make everything sound like AM radio.i mean i like clean,pure,accurate sound with no color,but i'm worried it would be maybe too much.
Yeah that was a quote from a guy who really didn't like the sound ..
A load of nonsense really the only these could sound like am radio is if they were plugged into an am radio

It's hard to describe their sound, because really they have no sound
they are not warm , not cold, not hyped not recessed, they are just a scientific device to transfer raw sound to your brain... whether you will like what raw audio/music really sounds like is a whole other issue, there is no romancing of the sound here.
post #24 of 3805
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice View Post
The 48a does sound like am.. The 48e 25ohm I have sound like a fm/am hybrid... The sound was meant for the highest fidelity possible, not for a pleasant sound.
The 48E and the 48S belong to the early studio monitors family, as well as the Pioneer 10ll and the Sansui SS-35. They all are 25 ohm, and they all share flat sounds. I call it the beauty of naked sound...

I'm just missing the Pioneer 10ll to complete my collection.
post #25 of 3805
The sound of AM radio is debatable. For one, AM sounds the way it does because it has a limited bandwidth. I can't recall exactly what it is right now, but I think it's about 10kHz. The DT48 gives you the entire range of human hearing. That being said, AM can sound terrific. I have a collection of old tube radios and communications receivers. If you get a chance to listen to music on AM through an old communications receiver with 12+ tubes, you'd be shocked. The highs and lows are clipped, but it sounds surprisingly good. FM can be excellent, as well, if you use a quality receiver and a quality antenna. Especially the antenna.

As for comparison to the K-1000, the DT48 has a similar neutral timbre and excellent range. The DT48 is faster, more transparent and more resolving to me. I can pick out details I haven't noticed before. That might be because the DT48 is closed and much closer to my ear. The K-1000 wins for soundstage, slightly better bass, and comfort.

I also highly recommend running the DT48 off tubes. They sweeten the mids and highs, however, they're also like a microscope into the tubes themselves. It's amazing what you hear.

As for older technology bettering the new, consider that much of audio is older than the slick magazines and paid shills would have you believe. Polls regarding the best speakers usually have the Quad ESL-57 at the top or near to it. The ESL-57 was introduced in 1957 and has been out of production since 1981. I've heard them and they are magical. I like the ESL-63 a little better, however, so I went with those. Those started development in 1963 and Quad's newest are quite similar. It's not just the transducers, either. One of my favorite tubes is the 2A3. Those have been around over 70 years. The record has been around longer. Even the CD has been out over 25 years now. Even the Denon DL103 cartridge I love so much has been ou over 40 years. You can pay a lot more for a cartridge, but it's hard to beat a DL103. Same with the Rega and Linn turntables - they've been around for decades, as have Klipschhorns. I could go on.

A lot of what is passed off as "new" is just a slight change to circuitry (enough for someone to hear a difference) and a new case in the style of the moment. Think of audio as the same model in a new outfit.

My advice in audio is to stick with the classics and to avoid the latest hype. Great designs like the Sennheiser HD-580/600/650 stick around for decades. As has the DT48. Buy the classics (used, preferably) and spend the rest of your time and money with the music. Staying on top of what mostly amounts to repackaging and marketing is exhausting and not particularly healthy to your wallet.
post #26 of 3805
Thank you for this great and informative post!
now i'm definitely getting a pair.
what version of the DT48 are you referring to in your post?E or A and what impedance were they?thanks
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
The sound of AM radio is debatable. For one, AM sounds the way it does because it has a limited bandwidth. I can't recall exactly what it is right now, but I think it's about 10kHz. The DT48 gives you the entire range of human hearing. That being said, AM can sound terrific. I have a collection of old tube radios and communications receivers. If you get a chance to listen to music on AM through an old communications receiver with 12+ tubes, you'd be shocked. The highs and lows are clipped, but it sounds surprisingly good. FM can be excellent, as well, if you use a quality receiver and a quality antenna. Especially the antenna.

As for comparison to the K-1000, the DT48 has a similar neutral timbre and excellent range. The DT48 is faster, more transparent and more resolving to me. I can pick out details I haven't noticed before. That might be because the DT48 is closed and much closer to my ear. The K-1000 wins for soundstage, slightly better bass, and comfort.

I also highly recommend running the DT48 off tubes. They sweeten the mids and highs, however, they're also like a microscope into the tubes themselves. It's amazing what you hear.

As for older technology bettering the new, consider that much of audio is older than the slick magazines and paid shills would have you believe. Polls regarding the best speakers usually have the Quad ESL-57 at the top or near to it. The ESL-57 was introduced in 1957 and has been out of production since 1981. I've heard them and they are magical. I like the ESL-63 a little better, however, so I went with those. Those started development in 1963 and Quad's newest are quite similar. It's not just the transducers, either. One of my favorite tubes is the 2A3. Those have been around over 70 years. The record has been around longer. Even the CD has been out over 25 years now. Even the Denon DL103 cartridge I love so much has been ou over 40 years. You can pay a lot more for a cartridge, but it's hard to beat a DL103. Same with the Rega and Linn turntables - they've been around for decades, as have Klipschhorns. I could go on.

A lot of what is passed off as "new" is just a slight change to circuitry (enough for someone to hear a difference) and a new case in the style of the moment. Think of audio as the same model in a new outfit.

My advice in audio is to stick with the classics and to avoid the latest hype. Great designs like the Sennheiser HD-580/600/650 stick around for decades. As has the DT48. Buy the classics (used, preferably) and spend the rest of your time and money with the music. Staying on top of what mostly amounts to repackaging and marketing is exhausting and not particularly healthy to your wallet.
post #27 of 3805
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Originally Posted by pearljam5000 View Post
robm321 please compare them to K-1000 if you can ,thank you.
Will definately do that along with HP-2s and GS-1000 hopefully before too long.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
My advice in audio is to stick with the classics and to avoid the latest hype. Great designs like the Sennheiser HD-580/600/650 stick around for decades. As has the DT48. Buy the classics (used, preferably) and spend the rest of your time and money with the music. Staying on top of what mostly amounts to repackaging and marketing is exhausting and not particularly healthy to your wallet.
Truly words of wisdom *cough* HD800 *cough*

Focus on the music, not on the merry go round that leaves you in the same place you started.... only with less money.
post #28 of 3805
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Originally Posted by robm321 View Post
Truly words of wisdom *cough* HD800 *cough*

But, but, but, . . . , the HD800 is the next big thing! Why shucks! It's bigger than anything since beeswax! It's the pure manure!!!


Any references to audio technology, currently existing or dead, is strictly unintentional.
post #29 of 3805
Comment withheld on the HD-800. I'll just say that I paid $650 for the Quad ESL-63 speakers and the pangs of indecision about preordering the HD-800 vanished.

pearljam5000, my pairs were made before Beyerdynamic started putting a letter after the model, so they're both labeled just DT48. One of them is the 25 Ohm model and the other is a 200 Ohm model. I would like to pick up the A model sooner or later.

I'd really like to see Beyerdynamic offer a consumer model. Put leather pads and a leather headband. Add detachable cords like the K-702, and then spend a little time and money marketing it as the stereo headphone that started it all. I think they'd sell.

Not to derail the thread, but how many of you know that Sennheiser also makes an audiometric headphone? The catch is that they run about $500. I don't know the model offhand, but it's there if you go through their professional offerings. I'm really curious about that one, too.
post #30 of 3805
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
Comment withheld on the HD-800. I'll just say that I paid $650 for the Quad ESL-63 speakers and the pangs of indecision about preordering the HD-800 vanished.

pearljam5000, my pairs were made before Beyerdynamic started putting a letter after the model, so they're both labeled just DT48. One of them is the 25 Ohm model and the other is a 200 Ohm model. I would like to pick up the A model sooner or later.

I'd really like to see Beyerdynamic offer a consumer model. Put leather pads and a leather headband. Add detachable cords like the K-702, and then spend a little time and money marketing it as the stereo headphone that started it all. I think they'd sell.

Not to derail the thread, but how many of you know that Sennheiser also makes an audiometric headphone? The catch is that they run about $500. I don't know the model offhand, but it's there if you go through their professional offerings. I'm really curious about that one, too.
Funny I was just reading some audiology studies where they used several headphones including the dt48 and the sennheiser HDA 200 (which is the one you mean) They are pretty ugly IMO , and from what I gather their primary purpose in this world is for testing "ultra high frequencies"
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