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post #76 of 557
Hai..My westone 3 just shipped yesterday... Should I return it and wait? or just keep it?
anyone plis..

Thank you
post #77 of 557
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Originally Posted by CooLy_oNE View Post
Hai..My westone 3 just shipped yesterday... Should I return it and wait? or just keep it?
anyone plis..

Thank you
Waiting wouldn't hurt. Also e-mailing Westone and asking them about differences between UM3X and W3 would not hurt either.
post #78 of 557
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Originally Posted by Morph201 View Post
I'm sure these (um3x) will sound fine, may even be an improvement (slightly?) over the
W3. But, in response to the um3x+um56 = es3x, the underlying difference between the UM3x and ES3x is that the ES3x is a complete custom shell, not just comply or custom tips (UM56). With the ES3x the drivers are pretty much 'tuned\optimized' to the shape of the custom shell. I think that's the major line drawn between customs and universals.
Well there was a similar situation between the UM2 and ES2. They shared the same drivers, but UM2 + UM56 did not equal the ES2 sonically, even though UM2 + UM56 was usually a lot better than UM2 alone.

So, there should be some benefits from a fully-custom shell beyond just a perfect seal.
post #79 of 557
This is insane news. I am actually quite happy about it. Boy, my IE8 seems so ancient by now. : )
post #80 of 557
This is what they said...."The Westone 3 was specifically designed for the personal listener where as the UM3X was designed for accurate sound monitoring while on stage. The reason for this is that the Westone 3 offers a little extra volume bump here and there in the frequency spectrum making music sound more lively, however, this sort of sound signature can be misleading if you are monitoring an instrument and need to hear the true sound being produced. The UM3X will provide more of a "flat" response than the Westone 3."
post #81 of 557
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Originally Posted by CooLy_oNE View Post
This is what they said...."The Westone 3 was specifically designed for the personal listener where as the UM3X was designed for accurate sound monitoring while on stage. The reason for this is that the Westone 3 offers a little extra volume bump here and there in the frequency spectrum making music sound more lively, however, this sort of sound signature can be misleading if you are monitoring an instrument and need to hear the true sound being produced. The UM3X will provide more of a "flat" response than the Westone 3."
Well then it is up to you to decide.
post #82 of 557
But I don't understand what "flat" means hear? Bass?treble?
post #83 of 557
Sounds yummy.
post #84 of 557
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Originally Posted by catscratch View Post
Well there was a similar situation between the UM2 and ES2. They shared the same drivers, but UM2 + UM56 did not equal the ES2 sonically, even though UM2 + UM56 was usually a lot better than UM2 alone.

So, there should be some benefits from a fully-custom shell beyond just a perfect seal.
All those money go into the customs are for good. not just fancy colours.

I do believe the shell helps resonace and reflex soundwaves to improve SQ.

Also, custom tuned and placed drivers according to your ear canal.
post #85 of 557
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Originally Posted by CooLy_oNE View Post
But I don't understand what "flat" means hear? Bass?treble?
Flat means that if a recording that changed pitch from 20Hz to 20KHz were played of constant volume from it, that the sound pressure level read as it rose up the spectrum would almost be unwavering. On the Westone 3, there is an obvious increase in the upper bass range (the infamous bass hump/warmth) and in certain parts of the high frequeny range (resulting in sibilance).

-Ed
post #86 of 557
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Originally Posted by CooLy_oNE View Post
But I don't understand what "flat" means hear? Bass?treble?
And a lot of people don't prefer the flat sound either -- it sounds a little bland and un-musical, at least to my ears. If you compare the Etymotic ER4P to the Shure SE530, you'll note how the SE530 sounds much more bass-and-mid focused, but it's in a good way. Ultimately, it's personal preference.

Obviously, though, for accurate monitoring purposes, you definitely want a flat response. I can't wait to see how well this fares against the UE-10, which I believe is the current undisputed neutrality-king.
post #87 of 557
"Flat" in a speaker system means that if you were to play a sine sweep and then record and graph volume vs. frequency, the graph would be completely flat - i.e. the system has a completely flat response across all frequencies and sounds completely balanced. Headphones behave differently and a headphone that sounds completely flat will not measure flat. IEMs bypass the pinna of the ear entirely, and their frequency response looks different from either speakers or full-size headphones, and a flat response in an IEM probably will not look flat either, but will be different from full-size headphones. And, of course, headphones, unlike speakers, are far more subjective and different people will hear different sound out of the same exact headphones based on their individual anatomy, with IEMs being even more subjective than full-size headphones.

I've heard perfectly tuned, perfectly flat speaker systems and they didn't sound dry, analytical, or un-musical. An analytical sound is a coloration that stems from desaturated tone color, insufficient dynamic range, and poor handling of transients, which gives it that dry, colorless, anemic, traditionally analytical sound. A well and truly accurate system is musical by definition - provided that the music you play through it is well produced.

The ER-4 is not natural to my ears, it has massive peaks in the treble and rather poorly handled transients.

I don't hear sibilance or excessive bass in a properly-fitting W3, but when the fit was wrong there was a lot of sibilance, and the bass was very overbearing, while the mids were recessed and with some tips very wrong in tone.
post #88 of 557
Hm. Just caught on to this thread. Interesting development from Westone. I'm personally a fan of the W3s' warm bass presentation, but they would definitely benefit from a less finicky fit and tip predilection to ward off the persistent sibilance...Seems I'm in the market for something right between the W3 and UM3X (assuming Westone's descriptions hold true)...Something that maintains the W3s' bass but tames their "lively" highs...Sigh...
post #89 of 557
epithetless-
Luckily the W3's retain their value very well in resale, if you were to find the new UM3X superior. I forget, do you have a pair of the W3's currently?
post #90 of 557
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epithetless-
Luckily the W3's retain their value very well in resale, if you were to find the new UM3X superior. I forget, do you have a pair of the W3's currently?
True. I do currently own the W3s, in the hopes that I'll eventually find the magic fit/tip/comfort combination that makes them shine (instead of SSSSSSSShine ).
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