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post #106 of 557
So if I thought the UM2 was 'fun' sounding and much warmer, luscious than a Shure SE530, then the UM3X will be the same and the W3 will just go to a silly extreme???

I always thought the UM2 had boatloads of bass and slightly rolled highs without great seal and amp. So you guys are saying that the W3 is going to be even more like this and the UM3X totally the opposite?
post #107 of 557
Ugh all these names are confusing me haha.
So these are the UM3X... weren't the previous models called UM2 and UM1?
So at the moment, what are the top universal IEMs people refer to as "The top 4"
TF10
IE8
SE530
W3
Is that right? So that could mean it could turn into the top 5 or something?
post #108 of 557
erm...i think um3x replaces w3, since i can't find them on the westone website anymore...
post #109 of 557
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Originally Posted by dunnowho View Post
erm...i think um3x replaces w3, since i can't find them on the westone website anymore...
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post #110 of 557
Dont forget ATH-CK100 Another triple driver player
post #111 of 557
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Dont forget ATH-CK100 Another triple driver player
Has that been released yet? I ain't heard much about it, impressions and the like.
post #112 of 557
It's released in Singapore. So, Top 5 if W3s are not counted, Top 6 if they are?
post #113 of 557
There's 2 or 3 reviews on CK100 in head-fi.

CK100 is not widely available, only for Japanese market. That's hurt their popularity in worldwide market.
post #114 of 557
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i don't think so, but i do disagree that 'neutral' by advertising means neutral in real terms. also, live albums i have heard sound so much different from live music of the same concert.
I agree that neutral by advertising doesn't mean it is neutral in real life.

When you hear a event live. Too many variables affect what you hear. Where you are in the auditorium? How close you are to the stage? What side you are of the stage? The quality of the PA system, venue acoustics and how loud are the people around you screaming Etc.

You will never have the perspective that mics on stage have. If you want live sound only got to live concerts. Bear in mind that the same band will sound markedly different depending on the venue.

Once the event is captured on media and mastered. The goal is to reproduce the recording as accurately as possible at home. Because the recording has all the information in it. A speaker or transducer cannot add or subtract information because it doesn't know what it is supposed to sound like. So making something warm is adding/subtracting information I.E. distortion.

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neutral does not mean that it is the recording as that comes from processing, different monitors that are often not made for headphones, and too many variables to bet on neutrality. rather, i think neutrality is not even possible in recording - only in live as that is the music as heard by the ear with out post-processing etc.
A recording can be warm or bright. Because Mics are warm/bright/neutral. The producer/engineers used equipment they thought was needed to get the sound they wanted. A neutral device will make the recording sound warm if it was recorded warm. Bright if it was recorded bright. A warm device will make everything warm.

For example, A painter decided he wants a painting to have a cool tone and uses lots of blue. A transparent glass will reflect that intention or an LCD calibrated professionally( if viewing an image). A yellow glass will always make it warm and distorted, so will an LCD tuned with a warmer color temp.

It is a misconception that Live music is the benchmark. 99% of concerts are mic'ed and amplified and broadcast over PA systems. The are only as good as the venue's acoustics and the PA engineers skill.

I'll make a bold claim that headphones will never sound natural because we don't hear things centimetres from our ears in real life.

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i have worked in recording and have many sound engineer friends - it makes me no expert but it has proved to me that music in stage and music for music sake are two different things. everything is monitored, toned down or up and frequencies are cancelled, denied or elevated. neutrality is a buzzword like authentic is.
Yes just like a Photographer or A painter or a Chef. When creating art the artist is the person that dictates what it sounds/looks/tastes like.

I have given examples of artist intention vs consumer taste. Like adding ketchup/ extra pepper/ setting color temp on a monitor etc. When you alter the artists intention you are changing it.

A recording is the artists/productions intention. They were involved and approved the way it sounds. Changing it to suit ones tastes is the same as adding coke to 18 year old single malt scotch. In scotland you wouldn't even be served that by a bartender that cared. But in audio warmth it is sought after!
post #115 of 557
So I'm thinking it will have a smaller soundstage with a slightly forward midrange....actually may sound like UM2 with much better treble. That would be nice but I'm not sure it will top W3 if you are able to get a good fit with W3. We'll see....
post #116 of 557
I willl throw this out there...if these sound anything like the ES3x only in a non-custom version then every one should get in line because these will rock the world.
post #117 of 557
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Originally Posted by toughnut View Post
There's 2 or 3 reviews on CK100 in head-fi.

CK100 is not widely available, only for Japanese market. That's hurt their popularity in worldwide market.
And their price affects us as well. I'm pretty sure they're more expensive than the rest of the competition.
post #118 of 557
Hmmm. Shame they aren't available outside Japan/Asia. Their price is quite extortionate, also, comparatively to their competitors, as is cited above. Can't see myself getting these
post #119 of 557
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So I'm thinking it will have a smaller soundstage with a slightly forward midrange....actually may sound like UM2 with much better treble. That would be nice but I'm not sure it will top W3 if you are able to get a good fit with W3. We'll see....
Shouldn't is sound the like ES3x? Since they claim it is based on that and the specs are identical.
post #120 of 557
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Hmmm. Shame they aren't available outside Japan/Asia. Their price is quite extortionate, also, comparatively to their competitors, as is cited above. Can't see myself getting these
And the combo of drivers is also unique. It uses 2 Mid/treble drivers, and one for bass I recall.
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