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Regarding the issue of bass, rather than using a tactile transducer, I have found that two subs work great.  The Realiser can handle directing the correct portion of bass to the subs.  The subs create air movement in the room, and palpable bass action via the floors  that enhances the bass experience reproduced within the headset.  

 

Personally, I find several other PRIRs I have made in various venues to be more to my liking than the measurements I made at AIX, much as I like their recordings.  To my ears the AIX PRIR  is a bit dead and dry.  The Acoustic Zen is my favorite.  I also made measurements at Audio High in Mountain View, (forgot the speakers there), and several other high end shops.  Nothing quite does it for me like Acoustic Zen, which has a depth and width of sound stage that I like a lot.  Something else about the Realiser that is important to note is that it is capable of emulating up to 7.1 through careful repositioning of two speakers when doing your measurements.  So a number of my PRIRs were made with 2.0 gear yet provide 5.1 playback emulations.  That said, in some ways I still prefer 2.0 which, if done well, can provide almost as expansive a sound stage as 5.1 for music reproduction, it seems to me, and one that is often a bit more realistic than some surround experiences.

 

Speaking of 5.1 though, I highly recommend the blue ray version of LOVE, the Beatles remaster.  It is one of the best recordings of any kind I have ever heard, and the experiences of listening to it via my Realiser is amazing.

post #2522 of 2713
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Originally Posted by Kiritz View Post
 

Regarding the issue of bass, rather than using a tactile transducer, I have found that two subs work great.  The Realiser can handle directing the correct portion of bass to the subs.  The subs create air movement in the room, and palpable bass action via the floors  that enhances the bass experience reproduced within the headset.  

 

Personally, I find several other PRIRs I have made in various venues to be more to my liking than the measurements I made at AIX, much as I like their recordings.  To my ears the AIX PRIR  is a bit dead and dry.  The Acoustic Zen is my favorite.  I also made measurements at Audio High in Mountain View, (forgot the speakers there), and several other high end shops.  Nothing quite does it for me like Acoustic Zen, which has a depth and width of sound stage that I like a lot.  Something else about the Realiser that is important to note is that it is capable of emulating up to 7.1 through careful repositioning of two speakers when doing your measurements.  So a number of my PRIRs were made with 2.0 gear yet provide 5.1 playback emulations.  That said, in some ways I still prefer 2.0 which, if done well, can provide almost as expansive a sound stage as 5.1 for music reproduction, it seems to me, and one that is often a bit more realistic than some surround experiences.

 

Speaking of 5.1 though, I highly recommend the blue ray version of LOVE, the Beatles remaster.  It is one of the best recordings of any kind I have ever heard, and the experiences of listening to it via my Realiser is amazing.


Problem is, most people use the Realiser rather than use speakers due to noise.

post #2523 of 2713
I've got some seat shakers on the way to me to try to get the best of both worlds I.e the feeling of the bass without waking the neighbors. I will let you all know how this goes when they are plugged into the realiser.

Here in the tight appartment complexes in Hong Kong the realiser is awesome as turning your sound up to levels I need to enjoy a film is inappropriate and pretty selfish in regards to the neighbors and any children you may have.

Has anybody plugged in bass shakers into the realiser with good/bad/indifferent results?
post #2524 of 2713
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I've got some seat shakers on the way to me to try to get the best of both worlds I.e the feeling of the bass without waking the neighbors. I will let you all know how this goes when they are plugged into the realiser.

Here in the tight appartment complexes in Hong Kong the realiser is awesome as turning your sound up to levels I need to enjoy a film is inappropriate and pretty selfish in regards to the neighbors and any children you may have.

Has anybody plugged in bass shakers into the realiser with good/bad/indifferent results?

Yeah, using bass shakers (tactile transducers) just completes the movie watching experience. I run two Buttkicker LFE shakers with my headphones and it's pure bliss. You can hear every detail and feel every explosion. After 4 years I'm still impressed every time I watch a movie. 

post #2525 of 2713
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Hey guys! I'm a noob as far as the Realizer is concerned and I've been trying to find out more about it. The reviews are absolutely stunning, but I'm unsure if I'm able to test it here in Singapore (read somewhere that I can and I'll research more).

I have never had the pleasure of a properly setup speaker system given my room has always been cluttered. 5.1 is a childhood dream which isn't realized. Pardon my pun.

My headfi setup is decent, and I'm planning to keep collecting. My friend keeps advising me to try the Realiser, saying it's "limitless".

I can't help but wonder though, if it was so perfect, why are headphones still being sold? Wouldn't it "kill all headphones"? Something doesn't add up to me, and I'm wondering what it is.

I currently use a Naim Dac V1, and a couple of higher end headphones from various manufacturers with an intent to collect more. (Because it's fun).

May I humbly ask:

Is the Realiser is better for individuals who want to watch movies off their headphones? Do u need an integrated amp for it? Is it less ideal for music?

Do you still need a DAC with the Realiser? What DAC does the Realiser have internally?

I assume you will need an Amp, and that the "flavor" of the amp will affect the sound?

Do all headphones work? Ie, with a reasonable top end HD700, would I be able to maximize it's potential?

Will colored headphones, like my ATH 3000ANVs affect sound quality after it's been "realised" - I've read the Beyer T1 is good with the Realiser perhaps because it's neutral?

Will any sub woofer work? I have a decent velodyne unit sitting around at home.

Why is it there are individuals who own a Realiser and still own loads of headphones? (That's likely going to be me someday).

Appreciate the input, I would love to learn more!

 

I love the Realiser sound for both two channel and multi-channel. I think that's why all of us bought one. I can't listen to headphones without virtual speakers.

 

I have different headphones for different situations, different moods, etc.

 

I think the Realiser DAC is good, but the problem with an outboard DAC is that you are limited to the optical digital output which is less than ideal for getting the full benefit of a high quality DAC. At least I don;t have to worry about that limitation any more... :D

 

I still the the best money spent on a Realiser rig is the headphones above all else.

 

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Originally Posted by Kiritz View Post
 

 Second, in-ear phones have the portability factor which the Realiser does not. 

 

I use IEM's and CIEM's instead of my Stax for portability. I can't really set up my Stax and a Realiser on a plane, but with my laptop, a MicroStreamer DAC/amp, and my software, it's really unbelievable when I am watching a movie in 7.1 hearing 8 Magico or Acoustic Zen speakers. I feel guilty that no one else can hear what I am hearing. My custom IEM's are perfect for that situation.

post #2526 of 2713
I salivate at the thought of jh-13 plus realiser. If i could sell an organ to afford this, i would.
post #2527 of 2713
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 I've got some seat shakers on the way to me to try to get the best of both worlds I.e the feeling of the bass without waking the neighbors. I will let you all know how this goes when they are plugged into the realiser.

 

Looking forward to your report. I would think that the vibrations would rattle things in the room and travel thru floors and walls to your neighbors, but maybe it is not that powerful?

post #2528 of 2713
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Looking forward to your report. I would think that the vibrations would rattle things in the room and travel thru floors and walls to your neighbors, but maybe it is not that powerful?


No, they don't. Tactile Transducers are decoupled from the floor. You can only hear a faint rumbling when they are working but the entire couch should be using rubber isolators to prevent and transfer of vibration to the floor.

post #2529 of 2713
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At the time I bought the Realiser, I bought what I felt was the best that I could afford. I found a used pair of Stax 407's and a Stax 323S amp from Japan. The cost of the used Stax setup was only a little more than the "stock" Stax 2170 combo that Smyth sells with the Realiser.

I am very happy with my headphones. Could it be better? Sure. It always can. However I have compared my Stax to the Stax 2170 and I think my setup does sound better in terms of accuracy and bass. I have also compared my Stax to the Stax 009 and 727 combo and with LCD-3's. I have to say, for the difference in price, I think I still got a great deal. Do I think the other Stax or Audeze are better? Yes, but even if I did have the money, I don't know if I would spend the money for a Stax 009 setup. I guess it really depends how "affordable" that setup is for you. I also did feel that with the right amp, the LCD-3's could sound better, especially in terms of bass impact for movies.

To answer your question, yes, I do think better headphones can improve the experience. The Realiser captures so much detail and nuance of each system, that the better the headphones, the more accurate reproduction of the room and speakers.

It's really moot at this point since I am still really happy with my current headphones and I can't afford to buy better ones anyway.
Hey Darinf, thank you for your post. I'm a new Realiser user, well an "almost" user with one on the way to me. I've always wondered about the importance of different headphones in a Realiser setup and how much of a difference you think it makes?

I think a big reason why I stayed clear (as well as many others) is because we don't know enough of the Realiser...

I'm looking forward to diving into it and learning all about it smily_headphones1.gif
post #2530 of 2713
In my experience any Stax is better with the Realiser than all orthodynamics and they are better than any dynamics. I can state this after trying different stax, LCD2, HE-6, HE500, HD800, K812. To be fair I have to mention I havn't tried the LCD3 and SR-009 with the Realiser. they might be even better.

Only the bass slam with a few older models like the SR-X MK3 is not enough but the pinpoint accuracy of the E-Stats is superiour. The only alternative that comes close is HE-6 on a great Speaker amp and the UERM inears.
Edited by cucera - 1/21/14 at 9:26am
post #2531 of 2713
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To be fair I have to mention I havn't tried the LCD3 and SR-009 with the Realiser. they might be even better.
 

 

Listening through the Stax SR-009 matched with a proper amp (e.g. Stax SRM-007tII or SRM-727II, or even better if you can afford it) is simply the most remarkable experience.  Can't be described accurately in words.  You need to hear it for yourself to appreciate it, using something you're very familiar with so that you can make a valid and objective comparison.  I think a lot of it is how the SR-009 fits on your head and the cups over your ears.  It just does something to truly create a "listening room" experience rather than "headphones".

 

Using the the same PRIR (from AIX), and the same external DAC (Audio-GD NFB9) and XLR connection that I had been using previously with my 1995-vintage Stax SR-Omega headphones and SRM-T1S amp, the improvement in "realism, clarity and expanded sound field" through the my SR-009 and SRM-T007tII tube amp is simply phenomenal.  Dramatic, not subtle.  It will astonish you.  It's really like you're really in that PRIR room.

 

There's no question that if "spare change" is in your pocket and you're trying to decide where to spend it to improve your Realiser experience, the right place to spend it is in "super Stax SR-009 headphones" and appropriate amp.

post #2532 of 2713
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Originally Posted by Jon-LF View Post


Hey Darinf, thank you for your post. I'm a new Realiser user, well an "almost" user with one on the way to me. I've always wondered about the importance of different headphones in a Realiser setup and how much of a difference you think it makes?

I think a big reason why I stayed clear (as well as many others) is because we don't know enough of the Realiser...

I'm looking forward to diving into it and learning all about it smily_headphones1.gif

Interesting you should revive that comment I made a while ago.

 

Fast forward, now that I am doing headphone software for my business, I decided I needed to invest in some TOTL headphones, so now I actually do have a pair of Stax SR-009's, Sennheiser HD-800's, Audeze LCD-3's, and an upcoming Russian electrostatic amp and DAC combo to drive the Stax 009's.

 

I have to say that the Stax 009's are my favorite for both the Realiser and my software. There is something about the electrostatic headphones that is so fast and detailed that it really makes the speaker virtualization work really well. Is it worth $10K to have a TOTL Stax and electrostatic amp? I can't say since everyone's financial situation is different, but it's the most accurate and enjoyable sound I have heard for speaker virtualization using the Realiser or my software.

 

With that said, it's certainly not required in order to enjoy music or movies listening to virtual speakers. I'll listen with my software using IEM's, CIEM's, etc. with my laptop and it works great for portable use when I can't take my Stax with me.

post #2533 of 2713
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Originally Posted by darinf View Post

Interesting you should revive that comment I made a while ago.

Fast forward, now that I am doing headphone software for my business, I decided I needed to invest in some TOTL headphones, so now I actually do have a pair of Stax SR-009's, Sennheiser HD-800's, Audeze LCD-3's, and an upcoming Russian electrostatic amp and DAC combo to drive the Stax 009's.

I have to say that the Stax 009's are my favorite for both the Realiser and my software. There is something about the electrostatic headphones that is so fast and detailed that it really makes the speaker virtualization work really well. Is it worth $10K to have a TOTL Stax and electrostatic amp? I can't say since everyone's financial situation is different, but it's the most accurate and enjoyable sound I have heard for speaker virtualization using the Realiser or my software.

With that said, it's certainly not required in order to enjoy music or movies listening to virtual speakers. I'll listen with my software using IEM's, CIEM's, etc. with my laptop and it works great for portable use when I can't take my Stax with me.
I'm curious how much of the headphones natural tuning (sound signature) transfers into the Realiser. Electrostats have fast transients, but other systems are not without their own benefits. What happens when u use a midrange/ Tubey sounding headphone (3000anvs) with a smyth Realiser for example? Assuming u are using someone else's PRIRs, vs your own custom ones?
post #2534 of 2713
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Originally Posted by cucera View Post

In my experience any Stax is better with the Realiser than all orthodynamics and they are better than any dynamics. I can state this after trying different stax, LCD2, HE-6, HE500, HD800, K812. To be fair I have to mention I havn't tried the LCD3 and SR-009 with the Realiser. they might be even better.

Only the bass slam with a few older models like the SR-X MK3 is not enough but the pinpoint accuracy of the E-Stats is superiour. The only alternative that comes close is HE-6 on a great Speaker amp and the UERM inears.


I can definitively say that the Beyer T1 far surpasses the Stax 404LE and HE-500's. Even with the EQ process, the Beyer retains far more punch than the others. The comfort is also much better.

post #2535 of 2713
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Originally Posted by Jon-LF View Post


I'm curious how much of the headphones natural tuning (sound signature) transfers into the Realiser. Electrostats have fast transients, but other systems are not without their own benefits. What happens when u use a midrange/ Tubey sounding headphone (3000anvs) with a smyth Realiser for example? Assuming u are using someone else's PRIRs, vs your own custom ones?


A lot of the signature transfers actually. I was under the assumption that the Realiser effectively EQ'd every headphone to flat but this isn't completely true in my experience. I've EQ'd 10 different headphones and each retains some of the faults it went in with. The best idea is to start with the most capable headphone you can afford.

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