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post #2296 of 2687

It's not very smart to block people from recording prirs at an audio store. If anything, you might come there again someday for shopping if you really like the virtualization you got from the store setup. Also, if it's for a fee and scheduled during week day when it's note like people are lining up for a listen, it's simply silly to refuse (else you feel this technology as seriously threatening future revenues).

 

Talking about store not wanting to spend time for something that's not going to lead to a sale, in this age if online purchases, I wonder the percentage of people going into these stores with the mind to actually buy from them.

 

Maybe the solution for svs is to directly partner with much more of these high end stores, I bet they could sell quite a bit as complement to a high end rig sale / maybe for people who can't afford the real thing just yet.


Edited by arnaud - 2/27/13 at 9:49pm
post #2297 of 2687

I am happy to see all of this information coming to the surface, after purchasing my Realiser I had little success in trying to convince shops to let me do a testing, paid or not. I am located in Southern California and heard every response imaginable. In the end I traveled/paid for the PRIR that I currently use. 

post #2298 of 2687
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Originally Posted by arnaud View Post

It's not very smart to block people from recording prirs at an audio store. If anything, you might come there again someday for shopping if you really like the virtualization you got from the store setup. Also, if it's for a fee and scheduled during week day when it's note like people are lining up for a listen, it's simply silly to refuse (else you feel this technology as seriously threatening future revenues).

 

Talking about store not wanting to spend time for something that's not going to lead to a sale, in this age if online purchases, I wonder the percentage of people going into these stores with the mind to actually buy from them.

 

Maybe the solution for svs is to directly partner with much more of these high end stores, I bet they could sell quite a bit as complement to a high end rig sale / maybe for people who can't afford the real thing just yet.


I totally agree. Stereo Design in San Diego flat out refused no matter what. I even offered him $1000 to measure systems he already had set up. He just kept coming up with excuses like, "What if you are in there doing a measurement and a customer comes in who wants to buy a pair of Wilson Alexandria XLF's? Yes, I am making a $1000 of you, but I may lose a $200,000 sale." Yeah right. I am sure he has people coming in all day long who want to buy the XLF's. And I am sure if they walk in with the intention of buying them, but someone else is listening to them, you would just walk out and forget the whole deal. So I said, "How about if we do it on a Monday or Tuesday when you're closed?" He said, "Oh we're all booked up on those days doing customer demos." Really? On every single day that you're not even open?

 

The funniest part is when he said, "I am not trying to be an *********, but it's not worth losing a potential big sale." He might not have been trying, but he was one.

 

I always thought the whole point of having a pair of $200,000 speakers in your store was to get people to come to your store and listen to them and see what else you have even if they can't afford to buy them. But I guess that's not the case since they no longer have them set up. They are just sitting in a corner. They have the Alexia's setup instead.

 

Anyway, they have been in business for a long time and seem to be doing very well, so the owner knows better than me about how to run a successful hifi store. But I am definitely never going to buy anything there and I certainly can't recommend them to anyone.

 

It seems really short sighted to me, but that's the reaction I get from stereo stores pretty much across the board. I think goodwill goes a long ways...

 

Oh well there are plenty of other "fish in the sea" to measure.

post #2299 of 2687

Darinf,

 

Having lived is San Diego, and having been to these exact stores, I can safely say it's not like they're the most caring audio stores in world, esp. not by japanese standards. Also, some staff in at least one of these might as well have sold soap, he was that clued up and behaved...

 

I think you're on a good track by making ties with private owners as there is then no conflict of interest, heck the owner may even feel good to tell his friends he's got people from all over the place paying big bucks to come to listen to his rig ;).

 

If the audio shop weren't that short sighted, you'd think they would realize the advertising potential. But I don't share your belief most of these brick and mortars have any sense of business. More often than not, I bet you they're selling poorly optimized rigs (apart from the number of zeros in the bottom line) to deep pockets in search of fancy home furnishing and social status affirmation. At least, I have been sometimes left wondering how could such expensive rig sound so average ?!

post #2300 of 2687

I did my measurement in MSM studios in Munich, Germany.

Cost is 950 euros.

Everyone involved was super professional and had a deep understanding of the realiser.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Equipment
  • jv-acoustics
  • Speakers: PMC MB1 5.1 Surround
  • Sonic Studio HD 24 Bit/96 kHz Mastering System
  • Sonic soundBlade Mastering Workstation (incl NoNoise II)
  • Daniel Weiss AFI-1 AES Interface 
  • Pro Tools HD (Accel) 192 kHz Workstation
  • Sony Qxford EQ + Compressor + Limiter
  • Sony Sonoma DSD Workstation
  • Prism Sound ADA-8
  • GENEX GX-D8
  • NoNoise (Declicking, Dekrackling, Denoising)
  • Sonic DVD Creator
  • Z-Sys Multichannel Processor
  • Sony DAT PCM 7030
  • Sony DVD DVP-900s SACD Player
  • Pinguin Surround & Stereo Metering
  • Dolby DP 562 AC-3 Reference Decoder
  • Sony Reference Studiomonitor
post #2301 of 2687

I hope I'm not being too philosophical, but I've been thinking about the whole Realisor process. What it records is the characteristics of a given loudspeaker. Any loudspeaker is characterized by the coloration it adds to the source signal (to a greater or lesser extent). The resolution, frequency response, and dynamics cannot exceed that of the source. So a direct connection from the source to the headphone must be more accurate than listening to a PRIR file. It seems that what we like with the Realiser is the coloration that the recorded system adds or subtracts to the source.

 

Am I belaboring the obvious? Please feel free to beat me up on this.

post #2302 of 2687

Like a customer who happens to notice some guy sitting there with headphones and a small box in front of a $200K system is gone care wtf you're doing-let alone think said hp/box negates the 200K system lol. He probably wouldn't ask or care what was going on-nor would you or the salesman be obligated to full disclosure.

 

Yeah-that salesman has no business sense-period.

 

-Daniel

post #2303 of 2687
I'll be attending Axpona in Chicago Mar. 8-10 and will attempt to do some PRIR's. Not the best of environments, and getting a room by myself may be difficult, but I'll see what I can do. May offer some dollars to have a few minutes before or after show hours.
post #2304 of 2687
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How much does Glen Poor's charge? What systems do they have available? Just curious.

post #2305 of 2687
When I bought my Realiser at Glenn Poor's Sept 2011 they did 3 PRIR's for me at no charge. 2.0 on Sasha's, Maxx and Magneplaner 3.7 speakers with BAT Electronics. About a year later Lorr Kramer did a demo there, and I was able to do a PRIR on their Home Theater, again no charge.
post #2306 of 2687
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Originally Posted by Mindless2 View Post

I hope I'm not being too philosophical, but I've been thinking about the whole Realisor process. What it records is the characteristics of a given loudspeaker. Any loudspeaker is characterized by the coloration it adds to the source signal (to a greater or lesser extent). The resolution, frequency response, and dynamics cannot exceed that of the source. So a direct connection from the source to the headphone must be more accurate than listening to a PRIR file. It seems that what we like with the Realiser is the coloration that the recorded system adds or subtracts to the source.

 

Am I belaboring the obvious? Please feel free to beat me up on this.

 

You've got it completely wrong...If you attached the headphones directly to the source (any source), you are still listening to the source as "imaged" by your headphones.

When you connect your headphones to the realiser, you listen to the source as "imaged" in a specific room by specific speakers. 

The realiser doesn't color anything. It simply records (and then replicates) your ears' response to the above mentioned speakers and room.

post #2307 of 2687
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Originally Posted by jackhamm View Post

I'll be attending Axpona in Chicago Mar. 8-10 and will attempt to do some PRIR's. Not the best of environments, and getting a room by myself may be difficult, but I'll see what I can do. May offer some dollars to have a few minutes before or after show hours.


I thought about going to a hifi show to do measurements. I'll be interested to see what kind of reaction you get.

 

From my experience doing trade shows in other fields in the past, I think the last thing people want to do is stay after the show closes to do another "demo".  I would think it would be impossible to do during show hours.

 

But who knows? Maybe the manufacturers are much more willing to accommodate people. I would offer to bring beers or food, or something.

 

Let us know how it goes. It would be worth it to me to travel to shows to get measurements done.

post #2308 of 2687
It will be difficult and will test my salesmanship, and I'll have to be lucky enough to not have significant sonic interference from adjacent displays, but I'll give it a try. I've already noticed some displays will be operative after hours. Below is an invite from MBL Reference.


Friday and Saturday night from 8-10pm you are cordially invited to an after-hours listening session with the UHA HQ Phase 11 Open Reel tape deck fronting the MBL Reference system.
post #2309 of 2687
You should get in touch with Arnold as Tweak Studio has a couple of rooms and I am sure Burmeister will be in one. It is worth a contact.
post #2310 of 2687

is there any good compact media player that can play mkv files etc, with surround hdmi output for realiser a8 .

 

something like this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Noontec-A3-II-1080p-Player/dp/B005I6AQSC/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt

 

but i want better spec to use it with realiser a8.

 

theres one from dune hd compact series, im not whether it output 5.1/7.1 sound from mkv file. please update me.

 

http://www.asus.com/Multimedia/OPlay_TV_Pro this one from asus. not sure if these would give perfect surround output for realiser. please advise me.


Edited by darthmatin - 3/2/13 at 10:26am
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