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post #1246 of 2713

Menu + TAC is for your Tactile outputs. So these settings are for external tectile's/shakers or the like. If you look on the back of your Realiser you will see two RCA plugs for TAC.

post #1247 of 2713

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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Menu + TAC is for your Tactile outputs. So these settings are for external tectile's/shakers or the like. If you look on the back of your Realiser you will see two RCA plugs for TAC.


I have discussed this Bass redirection configuration with Lorr Kramer, who suggested it, and it really works fine for my particular set up. Having channel 4 assigned to Subwoofer, I get on headphones real subwoofer output when selecting the 7.1 home theater profile; and redirect bass when using the 2.0 and 5.0 speakers profiles (with no real subwoofers).

If I later decide to add a tactile system I'd use the RCA plugs for that.

regards

Jose

 

post #1248 of 2713
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Originally Posted by josesol07 View Post

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I have discussed this Bass redirection configuration with Lorr Kramer, who suggested it, and it really works fine for my particular set up. Having channel 4 assigned to Subwoofer, I get on headphones real subwoofer output when selecting the 7.1 home theater profile; and redirect bass when using the 2.0 and 5.0 speakers profiles (with no real subwoofers).

If I later decide to add a tactile system I'd use the RCA plugs for that.

regards

Jose

 


Yes your two CH mix block setup looks good using the Oppo, of course knowing what the gain was with the LFE CH but I am sure Lorr knows what it is.

 

Anyway now I understand what you are doing, in the menu tac settings you are using mix to headphones (Y) and probably using the bass management (hpf to yes) settings also.

 

And yes that is a fun thing to do, but in my case I always go back to No mix to headphones and No for bass management. However that said, I can't recall if I have use those settings after my A8 was upgraded to HDMI out/in port's on the Realiser..

 

 

post #1249 of 2713

Double post


Edited by HDMan - 10/25/11 at 8:10pm
post #1250 of 2713

I have the opportunity to record some Steinways in Australia. I really want a 7.1 and a 5.1 setup, but I think that there are only 2 of them, whats the best way to record 2 channel for surround sound on the A8?

 

http://www.steinwaylyngdorf.com/products/model-d-speaker


Edited by HDMan - 10/25/11 at 12:32am
post #1251 of 2713
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Originally Posted by HDMan View Post

I have the opportunity to record some Steinways in Australia. I really want a 7.1 and a 5.1 setup, but I think that there are only 2 of them, whats the best way to record 2 channel for surround sound on the A8?

 

http://www.steinwaylyngdorf.com/products/model-d-speaker


 

 

I guess the best way would be to move them to each of the 7 speaker positions, however this may not be the most pratical.
 

 

post #1252 of 2713

Would moving your seating position, like turning around and facing the other direction work for the surround rears?

 

Also:

 

Does having open headphones vs closed make a difference?


Edited by HDMan - 10/26/11 at 1:56am
post #1253 of 2713
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Originally Posted by VandyMan View Post

I'm getting closer to buying a Realiser, but I have not figured out how to hook it up. My DVD player outputs LPCM over HDMI, so that is fine. However, my cable box, Roku, and Apple TV all output Dolby Digital (AC-3) or Dolby Digital Plus over HDMI. I looked for a cheap pre-pro that can take AC-3 on HDMI and output LPCM on HDMI, but could not find one. It seems like they all output the same format as the input when using HDMI. I could output over analog, but that kind of misses that advantage of having a digital input (it would be D > A > D > A). Any suggestions?

 

 

 

I am in the same boat, please let me know if you made any progress. I want to hook up my Xbox too, but it does not output LPCM (the PS3 does!).

 

PS: I am new to the forums, Hello from Berlin.
 

 

post #1254 of 2713
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Originally Posted by VandyMan View Post

I'm getting closer to buying a Realiser, but I have not figured out how to hook it up. My DVD player outputs LPCM over HDMI, so that is fine. However, my cable box, Roku, and Apple TV all output Dolby Digital (AC-3) or Dolby Digital Plus over HDMI. I looked for a cheap pre-pro that can take AC-3 on HDMI and output LPCM on HDMI, but could not find one. It seems like they all output the same format as the input when using HDMI. I could output over analog, but that kind of misses that advantage of having a digital input (it would be D > A > D > A). Any suggestions?

 

 


Do them both... HDMI from your BluRay player, and discrete analog from your AVR.  This will give you optimal results from BluRay, which is where you can deliver lossless audio via LPCM.  And from your lesser-quality sources (e.g. HDTV Dolby Digital 5.1 audio) you will very likely never be able to distinguish any difference from input via analog.

 

Believe me the performance of the Realiser with its analog inputs is still superb.  Users over the past 2 1/2 years have used analog with no complaints, as it's only very recently that the HDMI input option has even become available and there are probably only a relative handful of users so far using it.

 

post #1255 of 2713
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Originally Posted by HDMan View PostI have the opportunity to record some Steinways in Australia. I really want a 7.1 and a 5.1 setup, but I think that there are only 2 of them, whats the best way to record 2 channel for surround sound on the A8?http://www.steinwaylyngdorf.com/products/model-d-speaker


Please do not miss the opportunity to measure those Steinways speakers. I'd be very happy by  just having their 2.0 profile.

Based on the photos, it seems unpractical to move those huge speakers around.

I had the same situation with the Wilson Sashas speakers set in stereo at the store. As they are very heavy speakers, we did the 5.0 measurement out of the 2.0 set up, by  turning the chair around. I was fortunate enough to have Mr. Lorr Kramer directing the measurement.

IIRC, we first aimed for +30° and -30° for front speakers measurements and then relocated the chair facing backwards, at such a distance from L and R speakers to get the recommended angles for the  Ls and Rs virtual speakers. I don't recall the precise angles obtained at the store for these surround speakers.

the Sashas 5.0 with Bass direct, derived from the stereo set up, has surpassed my expectations and then some!.

Actually, in some cases, I prefer it over the 7.1 system measured at the store home theater room.

I bet you will be blown away with either the 5.1 or 7.1 derived from the steinways speakers.

cheers

Jose

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #1256 of 2713
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Originally Posted by CaptainFunk View Post

 

I am in the same boat, please let me know if you made any progress. I want to hook up my Xbox too, but it does not output LPCM (the PS3 does!).

 

PS: I am new to the forums, Hello from Berlin.
 

 



So far, no luck Captain. I checked the manuals for several popular lower priced pre-pros and can't find one that will convert the HDMI input to LPCM and output on HDMI. 



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Originally Posted by dsperber View Post


Do them both... HDMI from your BluRay player, and discrete analog from your AVR.  This will give you optimal results from BluRay, which is where you can deliver lossless audio via LPCM.  And from your lesser-quality sources (e.g. HDTV Dolby Digital 5.1 audio) you will very likely never be able to distinguish any difference from input via analog.

 

Believe me the performance of the Realiser with its analog inputs is still superb.  Users over the past 2 1/2 years have used analog with no complaints, as it's only very recently that the HDMI input option has even become available and there are probably only a relative handful of users so far using it.

 


Yes, using the multichannel analog out is my backup plan if I can't find an inexpensive pre-pro or receiver that does the conversion. I might not be able to even hear the difference, but I know the extra D>A conversion will not sit right with me. Audiophile curse, I suppose.

 

 

Edited by VandyMan - 10/28/11 at 1:42pm
post #1257 of 2713
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Originally Posted by josesol07 View Post


Please do not miss the opportunity to measure those Steinways speakers. I'd be very happy by  just having their 2.0 profile.

Based on the photos, it seems unpractical to move those huge speakers around.

I had the same situation with the Wilson Sashas speakers set in stereo at the store. As they are very heavy speakers, we did the 5.0 measurement out of the 2.0 set up, by  turning the chair around. I was fortunate enough to have Mr. Lorr Kramer directing the measurement.

IIRC, we first aimed for +30° and -30° for front speakers measurements and then relocated the chair facing backwards, at such a distance from L and R speakers to get the recommended angles for the  Ls and Rs virtual speakers. I don't recall the precise angles obtained at the store for these surround speakers.

the Sashas 5.0 with Bass direct, derived from the stereo set up, has surpassed my expectations and then some!.

Actually, in some cases, I prefer it over the 7.1 system measured at the store home theater room.

I bet you will be blown away with either the 5.1 or 7.1 derived from the steinways speakers.

cheers

Jose

 

 

 

 

 

 


Yeh for sure, definitely worth a trip interstate to record the Steinways, reviews from real users say they are absolutely amazing world class speakers, it's amazing that we can get such high end sounding speakers in a headphone thanks to Smyth Research :)

 

Apparently the Steinways have there own room acoustic equalization technology built into there processor (called RoomPerfect™), I wonder how well it will work, I don't think they neccesarily have good acoustic treatment on the walls, the owner of the store said that most "rich" people that buy them don't want to have to put acoustic panels everywhere, so Steinways have placed there own reflection treatment internally into the processor.

 

RoomPerfect™

RoomPerfect™ is the most advanced room adaptation technology available. Offering a delightful alternative to the traditional route of adapting the room to the sound system with expensive acoustic room treatment, Steinway Lyngdorf adapts the sound system to the room.

Years of research have resulted in RoomPerfect™, the world’s first truly 3-dimensional room correction technology with one of the most comprehensive patents ever filed in the history of acoustics. RoomPerfect™ uses a true 3-dimensional measuring technique and unique target response calculation to analyze and optimize sound performance, tailoring it to the specific room. The technology ensures that any audio system produces rich and pure sound throughout the room, virtually irrespective of furniture, room size, loudspeaker location and listening position.

RoomPerfect™ gives perfect sound at the so-called Focus and Global positions. The Focus filter improves the sound quality at a single listening position, or master seat, thus making Focus the best solution for optimal sound quality when you are listening on your own. Global optimizes the sound for the room as a whole. This is ideal for larger groups of listeners, e.g. when entertaining dinner guests, or while listening in a home theater context.

 

http://www.steinwaylyngdorf.com/technology-and-innovation/roomperfect

 

 

I wonder how the SVS A8 is going to pick up on this Roomperfect technology, this is from Smyth's website FAQ's:

 

12.  My AV receiver supports Audyssey room equalisation and I intend to personalise my room with the EQ in circuit. Are there any problems with this?

 

Not at all. We have used the Realiser in conjunction with both Audyssey and Trinnov room equalization hardware to great effect.

 


Edited by HDMan - 10/29/11 at 12:43am
post #1258 of 2713

Have any of you guys added a tactile system to the realiser rig?

I am considering the Crowson tactile actuator, but the high price of the amps is holding be back.

Would love to hear other amp options, besides Crowson models, which could be compatible with the TE100 actuator ( I might use 2 of these)

regards,

Jose

post #1259 of 2713
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Originally Posted by josesol07 View Post

Have any of you guys added a tactile system to the realiser rig?

I am considering the Crowson tactile actuator, but the high price of the amps is holding be back.

Would love to hear other amp options, besides Crowson models, which could be compatible with the TE100 actuator ( I might use 2 of these)

regards,

Jose



I'm considering the http://www.thebuttkicker.com/home_theater/products/bk_lfe_kit.htm

 

Comes with a powerfull amp and is relatively cheap, great reviews and bang for buck.

post #1260 of 2713
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Originally Posted by josesol07 View Post

Have any of you guys added a tactile system to the realiser rig?

I am considering the Crowson tactile actuator, but the high price of the amps is holding be back.

Would love to hear other amp options, besides Crowson models, which could be compatible with the TE100 actuator ( I might use 2 of these)

regards,

Jose


Yes I have a Crownson Shadow Stereo Motion System: A300b Amplifier with a pair (stereo) TES100SS. However what you may want to think about is what kind of surface you place the TES100's on. Reason being is that a softer surface like carpeting over wood floors will dampen the impact, so therefore you will be raising the volume level of the A300b amp. Not a bad thing but depending on how clinical you are about your listening you may find this kind of addition to be a bit distracting, so you may want to adjust the volume on the A300b amp to a lower level. imo this would apply to anything you would use to create a SW sensation.

 

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