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post #16 of 62
Congrats on the L3000. I have owned them previously and loved them but only used them with two different amps the AT-DHA3000 and Singlepower MPX SE SLAM. I preferred the L3000 with the Singlepower amp. However, the DHA3000 is also a dac and I paired the Singlepower amp with the Red Wine Isabellina dac. So the improvement could be due to the amp and/or the dac. In either setup, the L3000 were great.
post #17 of 62
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Question about the WA5. I am curious, would they be able to sufficiently power the Anthony Gallo Reference 3.1's?

Frequency Response: 34Hz - 50kHz +/- 3dB
Frequency Response (active bass):22Hz - 50kHz +/- 3dB
Nominal Impedance: 8 Ohms
Sensitivity:88 dB/1 Watt/1 metre
Power Handling: 350 Watts

These are the speakers I would like to get in the future. I am figuring that by the wattage output, probably not. But I know it's not all about wattage, but sensitivity and other factors. I also know that real wattage is different than specified wattage, so 500w receivers rarely have 500w real power and often do worse than 100w integrated amplifiers.
post #18 of 62
The impedence match is one of the more important aspects. The WA5 isnt really ment for demanding speakers and i noticed one of the sites listing that speaker as requiring 4-8 Ohms so i would say no. Not a good idea. If you dont have a powerful enough Amp you can cause clipping which leads to bad sound, or worst case dead speakers or simply a fried amp.
post #19 of 62
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Originally Posted by Skin View Post
The impedence match is one of the more important aspects. The WA5 isnt really ment for demanding speakers and i noticed one of the sites listing that speaker as requiring 4-8 Ohms so i would say no. Not a good idea. If you dont have a powerful enough Amp you can cause clipping which leads to bad sound, or worst case dead speakers or simply a fried amp.
Yea, I was just reading an explanation of impedance and sensitivity, and I agree. It's no match....so much for that idea. I don't own the K1000 or plan to anytime soon, so I guess it doesn't make too much sense to even consider the WA5 for me.
post #20 of 62
if you have an hour and want to become an expert on translating what specs mean check this out.
post #21 of 62
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So.......they are here. I have yet to open the box and try them out. And before I do, I would like to say that I have no idea of whether or not I will love them. I am taking a great chance as the consensus is that they are dark, smooth, dynamic(bass), etc.

Look at my signature. Most of my cans have been fast, highly detailed, wide soundstage, open. If I had to say which phone I have heard that matched my preferences most, it would be the HE60 followed by the K1000.

I am taking the risk because I have been so highly intrigued by them, and they are the only other 'affordable' discontinued high end can I have not tried(outside of the Stax O2).

I will be back with initial listening impressions. Currently, I will be using the Beresford TC7520 amp/dac until I can determine which amp to order or buy used.
post #22 of 62
Congrats on the L3000. I still love mine and get a few hours use everyday. I am quite happy with the DHA3000 as my source. I was already using an iMac as my transport, so it was nice to combine the amp and dac into one beautiful package.

My previous setup was the Electrocompaniet ECD1 DAC and Mapletree Amp. I believe the amp didn't have enough power for the L3000. I had a nice sound but seemed a little slow and didn't have enough control of the bass. I thought about getting a better amp because I loved the DAC so much but figured I had to at least try the DHA3000. As long as I set the iMac's output to 24/96, I get a comparable smoothness and soundstage the ECD1 brought but now with fast, tight bass, and cleaner highs. I am really happy with this setup and have no desire to trade for a separate amp and dac.
post #23 of 62
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Wow. They sound great.

There are a few things that immediately impress me. First, the dynamic approach is amazing. The bass is abundant, but its clear, tight and detailed. The bass is very lively, though in a very smooth way. This is exactly what was I wanted my Baby Orpheus to have.

The HE60's bass was just as detailed, even faster, and very clear. But it was lacking, and apparent on many songs. This headphone has could have the best bass I have heard to date. It is very reminiscent of the HP3000's(from headphile) bass.

The midrange is also lovely. It is very smooth. That is just the best word for it. However, this is where I do find a fault for my preferences. The vocals are slightly laid back slightly too much. I prefer more upfront vocals, such as the HE60, W5000, AKG K501 etc, almost to a fault. Sometimes, I like for vocals to stand out more than the rest of the spectrum of music. This could be a fault for someone, but for me it is preferred.

The highs are nearly perfect. Smooth and detailed. Nowhere near harsh, and to my ears no where near rolled off. I need more time here, to assess the highs, as imo it is the hardest part of the spectrum to truly nail down.

So as of now, my only complaint is that the vocals seem a tad laid back. I think this eliminates the Woo Audio 2 as an option, as this is exactly how Jack described it to me! lol (he said that it was more laid back and smooth than the Woo 6. Don't think I'd pair a smooth/laid back amp with a smooth/laid back headphone.)

I will also note that there was not a first five minute "wow factor"(outside of the bass being amazing). With the K1000 and HE60, I immediately said wow. With these, after about 3 or 4 completely different songs, I started to say wow, I see what is special about these and it's not just the bass.

I will take pictures this weekend. No time right now.
post #24 of 62
Sounds like you are definitely getting the L3000 experience. I assume the right amp with the right tube(s) would remedy the vocal issue you have, so long as it isn't a major issue.
post #25 of 62
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Wow. They sound great.

The midrange is also lovely. It is very smooth. That is just the best word for it. However, this is where I do find a fault for my preferences. The vocals are slightly laid back slightly too much. I prefer more upfront vocals, such as the HE60, W5000, AKG K501 etc, almost to a fault. Sometimes, I like for vocals to stand out more than the rest of the spectrum of music. This could be a fault for someone, but for me it is preferred.
I agree with Irondreamer, tube rolling, earcup positioning and source changes can all have a big effect on bringing out those great mids a bit more. If you really love the flavor of the L3000's and want yet another headphone that sounds very similar but with more midrange presence, the AT W11jpn may be worth a listen, if you have not already heard them. But you should be able to fine tune the L3000's to get the bigger vocals that you are looking for.
post #26 of 62
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Originally Posted by tev View Post
Tube rolling, earcup positioning and source changes can all have a big effect on bringing out those great mids a bit more. If you really love the flavor of the L3000's and want yet another headphone that sounds very similar but with more midrange presence, the AT W11jpn may be worth a listen, if you have not already heard it. But you should be able to fine tune the L3000's to get bigger vocals.
Dude....I am so damn glad you just said something about the earcups. I didn't remember that the earcups swivel. I turned them in about 5%(if even that). The vocals are back in the front.....and omg....it is perfect. The difference is so subtle, but its what it was missing.

I always turn my speakers in about 5% and they angle the same way towards my ears and it presents a more forward sound.

Thank you....very, very much.
post #27 of 62
Thread Starter 
Also, another impression. The soundstage is smaller than what I am used to, but it is wide enough to not worry about it. If I had to compare it's soundstage to another headphone's, I 'd immediately think of the HD650. Not large enough to consider a strength and not small enough to consider a problem. Just thought some would like to hear that.

For me, this could not be my only headphone. I can easily see how it would for someone with different preferences. I ultimately prefer a brighter, faster sound, with a very very spacious soundstage. However, when I had that(K1000, W5000, HE60) I needed the perfect compliment and this is it. I thought I could be fine with just one headphone, but because there is no perfect one out there, I need two perfect compliments. Now all I need is the HE60 or the HD800(if it sounds like a better HE60, keeping my fingers crossed! lol)

I hope that nothing comes up that will make me sell them, or that I start regretting the money that I gave up for them! lol
post #28 of 62
Glad these are working out so well for you. Wish I had a pair too.

The soundstage thing about these classic AT's is quite unique though, it's not that large, but definately there.
post #29 of 62
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I'm going to keep providing updates. Good and bad.

First off, these are truly wonderful. I would rank them second only to the HE60, due to the lack of speed in comparison and my preferences for a electrostat type sound.

Second, I can tell that the HE60 has more detail retrieval ability. With the HE60, listening to the same tracks as I am listening with the L3000, not as many faults in the recording show up. For example, with the HE60, I hear some static that is intrinsic to the recording on James Blunt, "Goodbye My Lover". I could also hear it with the W5000. Those are the only two that showed it(HD600 didn't, K501 didn't, and many others). It may be just my CD or how it was ripped or mastered, but still only those two phones reveal it. I could find countless examples of this situation.

But, on the flipside, the L3000 seems like a much more complete package than the HE60 or W5000 or K1000. It has the detail(very close to the same level of the HE60 and W5000, yet not on the exact same level). It has the imaging(same level). It has the Dynamics(better). And.....it adds very high quality bass. But, it remains smooth and refined while doing so.

Now that I have figured out the cup positioning, the only thing the L3000 lacks in comparison to the W5000 and the K1000 are the extremely spacious soundstage.(the HE60's soundstage isn't amazing, it is decent just like the L3000, HD650 and HE60).

BTW, I keep referencing the W5000, K1000, and HE60 because they are my favorites in the hobby(and I have had extensive time with each), although not without fault.
post #30 of 62
Good to hear that you are at least enjoying your exposure to the L3000's... :-)

I have not found the headphone (or speaker) without fault, but the L3000 (O2, R10) are pretty darn good...

keep up updating....

Cheers,
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