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post #91 of 195
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You have a point there. But If you take the fact that 70% of computer market is Enterprise purposes, that leaves very little for consumer markets and that's where Americans spend most money, the consumer electronics. So in the total perspective, Apple owns about 6% market share whereas they own about 20% in the consumer product. The big corporates and their researches always tend to exaggerate things a little bit so one can take this number with a grain of salt.

Here's the website that explains this whole thing.
I didn't realise we were talking about the American market.
post #92 of 195
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Originally Posted by Dzjudz View Post
I didn't realise we were talking about the American market.
The said American consumer market is about 20% and 10% for world market although it may not be exactly accurate.
post #93 of 195
The link says overall worldwide market for Apple at 2.9%.
post #94 of 195
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Only the picture of the Mac should be white, look badass, and be automated. And the picture for the PC should be the deteriorating innards of a motorcycle with all the parts needed to make it a performance-level bike.
Why would a performance-level PC have deteriorating innards? I was under the impression that most high-end computer parts were made to endure heavy stress and maintain longevity? (Same goes for actual motorcycles) And I've heard that recent macbooks have been suffering from hardware problems as well?

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n the end, it's all personal preference. If your top priorities are gaming and speed, or work in a business environment, use Windows. If you want ease of use and minimal maintenance, use a Mac. If you are a tweaker, run a Linux distro.
I actually use my windows xp pc mainly for entertainment and homework, and I've had minimal software issues so far. (Had my user profile disappear, remedied by system restore) OSX may very well be easier and more intuitive, but windows still isn't exactly rocket science.
post #95 of 195
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Originally Posted by Dzjudz View Post
The link says overall worldwide market for Apple at 2.9%.
Which seem to translate to 10% consumer market worldwide.
post #96 of 195
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Originally Posted by analogbox View Post
Which seem to translate to 10% consumer market worldwide.
Right, so the % of enterprise market using Apple would then be less than 0%?

You say that the consumer market is 30% of the total market. So if Apple holds 10% of the consumer market, that already accumulates to 3% of the total market. The share of the total market was already stated to be 2.9%. Leaving less than nothing for the enterprise market. Doesn't seem that big of a share now. Even if you propose that Apple hold around a 1.5% share in the enterprise market, this leaves around a 6% share for the consumer market. Of course, I'm pulling the 1.5% number out of my hat for argument's sake.
post #97 of 195
I don't get it. If I state that my Honda is more reliable than your Porsche, someone will inevitably observe that I probably drive like a granny to the market, where you drive like Iron Man with a hangover--different hardware, different duty. And its a good observation.

I do a lot of high performance scientific computing. Average CPU load (24 hours a day, 365 days a year) is about 90% on hundreds of machines. We run Windows machines, Linux machines and Mac machines. Typically, we need to replace 10% of our hard drives due to mechanical failure per year. Because they get thrashed HARD. We lose video cards when their fans' ball bearings wear out. Motherboards and power supplies fry because capacitors get old and gassy, or because the room gets too hot. Switches burn out. Memory gets flaky.

And we only have anecdotal statistics on hardware failure rates, pushing hundreds of machines hard, for years. The truth is, except for hardware that is poorly designed, most everything we use is cycled on a 3-4 year period, because of obsolescence.

Want a reliable machine? Buy an SGI (hehe). They're built like tanks, and I've personally have one outside my office that has been running continuously without reboot for more than 5 years. Or even an old IBM server. (Un?)fortunately, this kind of machine was proven economically inviable when the market decided there was no point to engineering computer hardware to last more than 3-4 years.

So who cares? You're not going to run your computer hard at home, and you probably won't be using the same hardware in 5 years. AND you get to pay relatively cheap prices for your computing power. Stay away from hardware known to have reliability problems, and you're good.
post #98 of 195
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Originally Posted by Kirosia View Post
Why would a performance-level PC have deteriorating innards? I was under the impression that most high-end computer parts were made to endure heavy stress and maintain longevity? (Same goes for actual motorcycles) And I've heard that recent macbooks have been suffering from hardware problems as well?
Thermal death. Most high performance stuff runs hot and has a tendency to self immolate if given the chance.
post #99 of 195
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Originally Posted by Dzjudz View Post
Right, so the % of enterprise market using Apple would then be less than 0%?

You say that the consumer market is 30% of the total market. So if Apple holds 10% of the consumer market, that already accumulates to 3% of the total market. The share of the total market was already stated to be 2.9%. Leaving less than nothing for the enterprise market. Doesn't seem that big of a share now. Even if you propose that Apple hold around a 1.5% share in the enterprise market, this leaves around a 6% share for the consumer market. Of course, I'm pulling the 1.5% number out of my hat for argument's sake.
I believe whoever did the research didn't count corporate share at all, PCs or Macs, so we don't know that number of Macs or PCs in enterprise market. All we know is the fact that 30% of all the computers(PCs + Macs) worldwide is consumer purchased and the rest belonging to enterprises. Strictly talking consumer markets, the market share counts as is presented by the researcher which I cannot account to.
post #100 of 195
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Originally Posted by marvin View Post
Thermal death. Most high performance stuff runs hot and has a tendency to self immolate if given the chance.
That makes sense. If the computer wasn't pushed to it's limits constantly or if adequate cooling was used, could this be prevented/alleviated?
post #101 of 195
You ever open up a computer that belongs to one of those "I don't know a thing about computers like they are proud of it and use it as an excuse for not knowing basic stuff"?



How many Dell, HP. Gateway, eMachine computers do you think are out there looking like this?

Yes most problems can be alleviated by taking care of your stuff.
post #102 of 195
99% of consumers will never open up their computer and most would be terrified to do it. I don't think it's realistic for a lot of my relatives to open up their computers.
post #103 of 195
Those cans of compressed air can be tough to figure out!
post #104 of 195
My first PC (533mhz P3) looked like that. Suffice to say, I had no idea what I was doing.
post #105 of 195
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My first PC (533mhz P4) looked like that. Suffice to say, I had no idea what I was doing.
I wasn't aware P4 ran at 533mhz.
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