ComputerPro's Temper Tantrum - Page 2  

When macs are able to be overclocked by 50-100%, let me know.

How easy is it to change CPU in a mac?

I have been running vista non-stop for months now with no problem and no need to reboot; just putting the pc to sleep when not needed.

Granted that's vista on a thinkpad, if that matters.

That's you though, most Mac users don't use them for much more than web browsing and listening to music. That's partly why they have less hardware issues. Us PC gamers put an incredible amount of stress on our computers and tend to OC them also so of course we will get more hardware failures.

I believe the point he is making is, quite simply that Windows allows you to dig deep into the OS and screw around with it if that is your perogative. Clearly you have no desire to do so with OS X on your Mac (which allows less of it than Windows/Linux do in the first place), but there are people with there Windows machines and Linux machines who do like to play around under the hood of the OS. You've posted many times here on Head-fi about cars and tuning them etc; its the same dang thing. Some people enjoy doing it and others don't or don't see the need. I don't see the need to dig around under the hood of my car any more than it takes to change the engine oil or something simple like that.

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That wasn't the point he was making, and I'm pretty sure you know that.....


On my side, I spent all of K-12 having to work with Macs as they were what the school system used as the predominant educational platform for our school system. At home, I got my first PC when I was 7 and have been using PCs ever since then for everything I can. I have had exactly 2 major problems with my computer ever. The first was my sister tripping over a plugged in power cable and taking my laptop to the ground with her (which could have happened just as easily to a Mac, likely with the same end result). The other major issue was when I loaned out my beater laptop to a friend until he could replace his and he used it for a grand total of 4 months without using any of the virus software or Spyware/Adware/Malware software and ended up getting it so loaded with crap that I just gave up on it altogether cause I couldn't be bothered with it.

On that note, I have seen some of the Macs in our school system taken to town by the students that are using it. When they're brand new, they ran like a dream, but by the end of the year, there are errors that pop up when you try to use a USB stick you've been using all year, errors pop up when you try to print, the system runs slow as hell because it has been bogged down, etc. I honestly don't feel that Macs are all that superior to Windows based PCs in any real way. For me, it comes down to a matter of your opinions and experiences.

Sorry cash, nice try at a flame thread, but there is 100% zero difference between apple hard drives and PC hard drives. Bad sectors has nothing to do with the OS - it's usually a physical problem with the disk. Compare the number of bad hard drives of a specific model between usage in macs and PC's, and you will have identical numbers down to the 10th decimal point.

Also, until Apple switched to Intel hardware (because PC hardware is faster - do you follow?), they DIDN'T use the same hardware, so your reliability argument is pointless outside of the current Intel Macs. Which, by the way are fantastic machines, unless you like exploding batteries, shattered screens, warped cases, discolored plastics, and edges so sharp on the macbook that you can slit your wrists while typing.

As for OS X:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg7Xh0m_Oco

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you are so confident of the durability and build quality of your Apple, I will be glad to publicly meet you with video cameras rolling for a little test. We shall put both of our laptops on cement ground (I have a lenovo t61). I will allow you to stand on my laptop if you are willing to stand on yours (t61 LCD is encased completely in a roll cage). Then, we will drop our laptops from 3ft onto a wooden floor - three times in a row (active hard drive protection system including the 2nd hdd in the ultrabay, magnesium roll cage around the entire motherboard and LCD, and specially engineered shock absorbing rubber feet). Next, we can pour a bottled water onto each of our keyboards (t61 has built in drains). If you'd like, if both machines are still alive by then (which your apple won't be), I will allow you personally to smash my T61 into your Apple as many times as you'd like to see which machine dies first. We shall see which machine emerges in the end. Hint - magnesium roll cages are stronger than plastic, glass, and aluminum!

If you're willing to do this, let me know. I'll supply the camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXSRtwXh0sE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMyiY08HE0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ENQ1dUavI8

And in terms of rendering power for graphics and video, my $1300 PC desktop will render and transcode faster than 2 $10,000 Mac Pro workstations due to my 2x GTX 285 cards in SLI and CUDA. And as for raw computational prowess, it has more horsepower than 100 $10,000 Mac Pro workstations. And if I upgraded to a more powerful multi GPU solution, I can have 3.7 teraflops SP processing power. In comparison, a quad core Mac Pro does about 50 gigaflops SP, and an 8 core does about 65. In other words, you'd need close to a hundred mac pro's to equal the horsepower I have in my $1300-2000 machine for cuda enabled applications (which many major applications now are).

CUDA should technically work on a Mac as Nvidia does support it, but barely any mac developers are including it into their software. Why? Because the Apple hardware is lagging so far behind in terms of parallel usage (SLI, for example). Try using a renderfarm of GPU's in a Mac Pro and enjoy your kernel panics.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_home.html

Now cash, I know what you are going to say next (you said it last time I brought up actual numbers too). You're going to say "WTF is a terra**** dude nobody needs to kno w4t those are! You are an uber n3rd if you talk about specifications and settings, just us3 ur machine dood"

Of course, if you say that you will only reinforce the notion that Mac users essentially use their computers strictly for surfing the web, making pretty pictures, and for taking inane myspace pictures with the built in camera.

Cash, so busted. I cant wait to see how you dismiss all this and tell us your right.

And boom goes the dynamite

Answer - it doesn't.

*facepalm*

Do you really think Mac users know how to repair the hard drive in order to post on the forums? It's hard to post with no computer! And once it gets fixed to the tune of $400, they are too embarrassed to admit that they had a problem with their Macs in the first place!

I make $500 a week from Mac users asking me to transfer photos onto external hard drives...you crack me up cash.

Hey Cash:

Let me google that for you

Let me google that for you

Let me google that for you

Because you're the most dyed in the wool fanboy I've ever encountered, for any product.

Let me google that for you

Translation = Oh ****, the technical information is so far over my head I'm going to result to ad-hominem attacks and hope for the best!

I'm so disappointed hardforums and xtremesystems are down right now for upgrades. The guys over there would get an absolute kick out of you. Nonetheless, I'm saving this thread and it will be making the rounds of the internet tomorrow!

/thread

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smrtby123 clearly stated that he prefers Windows XP and Linux to OSX because they allow him to dive into the system and fiddle with it to a much greater extent. Your exact rebuttal to that was that you didn't see the point in wanting to dig deeper into the system. My response to that was that the reason someone would want to would be because they can and because they want to. You enjoy playing around under the hood of your car, which is something I do not care for, and yet you don't see me popping into all the car threads here or anywhere online asking tuners why they would want to tune their cars.

As to the fact that OSX is UNIX based, which allows you to play around with it, I never stated that you can't. I merely stated that Windows and various distros of Linux provide more accessibility than OSX does.

Computerpro3 already stated it, and heck, he even provided you a tutorial for this, but seeing as you missed that, here's a link:

Bad Sectors on Hard Disk

Quoted directly from the site:



"Bad sectors are mainly due to the magnetic weakening of the domain and mechanical faults. Over time, the magnetic areas of a disk lose its magnetism and hence its inability to retain data. Such bad sectors have the tendency to spread and are usually non-repairable. Mechanical faults include physical shocks to the disk, abrupt power shutdowns and disruptions during read-write operations. Head crash can also cause bad sectors and lead to permanent data loss on the disk. When bad sectors spread, it can result in system instability when important system files are destroyed. Mild corrupted data however can be corrected by most file system utilities.

Unknown to most, the bad sectors could some times be due to bad parity checking bits written on disk. Most modern disk while storing data will transparently store parity bits together with the data. When the data is read, the parity bits are also retrieved and compared to ensure the data integrity. This goes on without the knowledge of normal user. When the parity bits are corrupted for some reasons, it will result in bad sector errors. In this case, through some proprietary recovery software, ADRC could actually repair the bad sectors without loss of data by correcting or rewriting the corrupted parity bits on disk.

Very often, bad sectors are manifested as a result of failing Read Write head. When the Read Write heads fail to read and interpret the magnetic signals normally, the same kind of bad sectors errors could occur. Frequently, bad sectors are also early signs of disk crash as it deteriorates over time. "



I've bold-marked the sections I'm using to prove my point. In most cases, bad sectors on a hard drive are caused by mechanical problems. Mechanical problems that are in no way influenced by OS choice. Take a look at the links that Computerpro3 provided and they'll show that plenty of Mac users have experienced similar problems on their machines. As to why it would appear that the problem is more prominent among Windows machines: I would wager a bet on the fact that A). Windows machines happen to have more of the market share than Macs, and B). where Apple ties you to specific hardware and ensures that the Mac you are using has the exact same hard drive as the same model Mac the guy sitting next to you is using, PC users have options, can change their hard drives in the future and also see the fact that different companies like Dell and HP are likely to use different model hard drives.