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post #256 of 1116
Burn the Turbines in for 30 - 100 hours. The bass should loosen up and get softer if you think it's too harsh in the beginning. I know from experience.
post #257 of 1116
^ what he said _ ^
post #258 of 1116
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post
On first blush I have to say the Turbines are starting on the right foot. Being like a kid getting a new toy I could hardly wait to try these so I sat in my van while my wife and son were doing a bit of shopping. The midrange on these is far better than the NE-7M's. I listened to Loreena McKennit and her voice was more in the room for me and all of the various old world stringed instruments like dulcimers and lutes were simply alive. I was thinking about these almost exclusively from a bass perspective when i first started to see posts on them but these are much more than bass and highs. The sound stage is also better in my opinion than my NE-7M's. Plus the comfort is simply divine in comparison to the NE's I stopped noticing them in my ears after a while, somthing I never had happen with the NE's.

The only thing I have not liked so far is the bass (it's was a bit too harsh), I think this is where the phone's will need some burnin to smooth out and start to sound the way they will ultimately sound.

Are these worth the $180CAN I paid? So far I have to say yes they are. I actually think they are a big enough upgrade over my NE-7M's to justify the price difference. They are a bit more Microphonic and I miss the chin strap ability I have with the NE's but I really am enjoying these phones alot and so far they seem to be very nice for all of the music I listen to which is quite eclectic in nature.

Well time to stop typing and do some more enjoying, someone said they gained a whole new appreciation for "The Wall" time to see if they are right?
very astute observations my friend. there are obviously fit issues to deal with but those likely are incomparable, however, I think your review is very good.

I also have the NE7M and find them to be great for the price with smooth everything. The Turbine also for the price are great. Neither are perfect but I chose the NE7M as a higher contender because of a better cable and for the low low price of 49$ with included mic, an overall more competitive sound for its price bracket. I found the NE7M to stock, be better than the turbine for stage, but again, that could be fit. I hope now however!

The Turbine and PFE are both great phones at similar prices. It is up to the individual as to which is better, but both are worth the money.
post #259 of 1116
OK after listening to these for most of last night and then letting them burnin over night and playing with the tips that come with the phones plus other tips I have on hand here are some more thoughts on these phones.

The bass is starting to settle down a bit and is not so aggressive. I find that I really do like it's sound, it doesn't come across as boomy or bloated to me at all and if the music doesn't need bass I don't here anything that feels like bass intruding in those spots. But when there is bass in the music you know it.

I was thinking the high treble sounds were a bit truncated but this goes away when I use a wide nozzle tip, so the stock tips seem to impede the highs due to their smaller nozzle.

The midrange has been and still is almost perfect for me, I love how lead instruments like pianos, guitars, etc stand out more and so do vocals, but never so much as to seriously overshadow other background instruments and singers. I was listening to a track that had alot of secondary small drumming happening throughout the song and noticed that drumming for the first time with these phones. The same thing is happening with backup singers on alot of tracks. All this while the main instruments or singers getting their necessary spotlight.

OK on to tips specifically. I tried the default tips, the triflange tips, Generic Medium Silicone Tips with wide nozzle, Large Generic Silicone Tips with wide nozzle, and Compy T-400 Foam Tips:
  1. Default Tips - These tips sounded good out of the box but I did notice they almost seemed distant especially at lower volume levels. Not bad sounding but a bit distant and as I have alluded to above I noticed the treble seemed a bit truncated at the highest end. But I will say I also found the tips to be very comfortable.
  2. Triflange Tips - It appears I have ears with an unusual ear canal position. I had to point these upwards to even find the opening and then they sort of had to bend in my ear to fit after I screwed them in. Very uncomfortable and I could never get a good seal which bled out most of the bass. They felt like I had a bug in my ear! Needless to say they were quickly set aside.
  3. Generic Medium Silicone Tips with wide nozzle- I don't know if the medium tips of the phones I have are unusually small or the medium tips of the Turbine are unusually large but I found the medium tips a bit small giving me the sensation the phone were going to fall out. Despite the feeling the seal was pretty good and they sounded much better due to the large opening in the tips. The sound stage opened up more and the treble was much better. They also were as comfortable as the Turbine Tips aside from the loose feeling.
  4. Large Generic Silicone Tips with wide nozzle - I tried these as they actually seemed to be the size of the Turbine medium tips and they fit perfectly with no sense of looseness. They had slightly better isolation than the medium and consequently slightly better bass response. The rest of the sound was the same as the medium tips.
  5. Comply T-400 Foam Tips - I found these to fit OK but I am starting to have discomfort from the foam tips as they iritate my ear for some reason and I never get over the sensaion of stuffiness. I also have a blocked feeling in my ears after wearing them for some reason. Aside from this the sound was better than the stock tips but not as nice as the generic silicone tips as the foam seems to cause some of the highs to be removed.

With the stock tips I get a sense of airness similar to the NE-7M but only about half as much. With the wide nozzle tips this went away completely for me. In comparsion I was never able to remove the sensation from the NE-7M's no matter what tips I used.

The comfort of these phones is simply amazing, with silicone tips I actually do get to a point where I forget about them and I'm sure if I didn't have issues with the Comply's they would also be great for anyone who really like them.

For anyone using NE-7M's that are thinking of an upgrade. If you like the basic signature of the NE-7M but have issues with airiness and comfort. I would say the Turbines are a great next step. Here is a breakdown in improvement that I think is happening:
  • Bass - I feel the bass is about 25% better, it is larger but at the same time controlled and it seemed to have more texture and detail (see my comments about small drums above).
  • Midrange - The midrange is about 35% better, this is the range where most singing occurs as well as many lead instruments like piano's and guitars. In this area I feel the more forward presence is just about perfect.
  • Treble - I feel the treble is about 15% better, but this is a qualified 15% as it only exists with non-stock tips. With stock tips the NE-7M is probably about 10% better than the Turbine.
  • Sound Stage - Stock tips the NE-7M is about 15% better. Non stock tips I think the Turbine is slightly better but not enough to quantify in a percentage. It is also only better in that I liked the slightly narrowing stage and there appears to be some depth (I struggle with depth as I have a hard time catching it).
  • Comfort - The Turbines are 50% more comfortable for me over the NE-7M. To make this more quantifiable. The difference in comfort was what made me really start to look at an alternative to the NE-7M. I don't think this issue will drive me to look for a new set of phones with the Turbines. (I won't say the same thing for sound though as this darn board makes me want to try new phones all the time LOL).
So anyone owning a pair of NE-7M might be thinking how can he justify the cost when there is only about an average of XX% improvement? The only thing I can say is I compare headphones to playing sports. The difference between a bad player and a good player is usually quite large but the difference between a good player and great player is not nearly as large while the effect of a great player is definitely felt more. Then going from a great player to an elite players the difference is smaller still but with an even greater effect.
post #260 of 1116
^ Great Review dweaver.

If I had more closer range phones, I would compare but my EP630 and Denon C551K are a far galaxy away from the Turbines.

I also agree with the Tri-Flange. I seem to have the same problem. Either I'm not wearing them right or they're just not working for me. I just use the stock medium bulb tips with narrow nozzle and it's good for me. I shall try others when I get some.
post #261 of 1116
Thanks for the comments dC0m and Shigzeo

Man I have to say I hate finding the right tips. I switched the tips to the wider nozzle but started to have pain issues even though I really liked the sound. So I went back to the original tips and they were more comfortable but the sound wasn't as good. Then I got thinking about what happened when I tried the tri-flange tips and how hard it was for to use them and realized my ears are a bit unusual in that my ear canal is not lined up with the opening of my outer ear. I looked at my wife ear and her outer ear and her ear canal line up with each other more or less. In my case my outer ear opening is significantly below my actual ear canal so if I put in my IEM's the actual don't point in to my canal but an ear wall. Which is why I was getting better sound from the wider nozzle since it was able to allow more sound toget up to the actual canal. The sound bouncing of the ear wall though would start to bother my ears. So I turned the phones so the nozzle was pointing upwards towards to canal and suddenly the stock tips sounded much better as they were able to get the sound where it was supposed to go. Now I get two choices because the wide nozzle definitely changes the sound signature, emphasizing more midrange and treble with less bass, while the default tips have a sharper tighter and stronger bass with almost the same midrange and treble. But comfort wise the stock tips are working better for me which may be the winning aspect for me now that I can get good sound from them.

So anyone who likes the comfort of the stock tips over other silicone tips but are having issues with sound quality. Figure out exactly where your canals are located in conjunction with your outer ear opening and rotate the phones to point directly at the canal, it really makes a big difference. This pointing is helped by the fact that the default tips are quite round so they can be easily pointed to different parts of the ear.

I have to say these IEM's are just getting better and better every day.

Edit: One last point about my discovery above. With the phones pointed in the right direction now I no longer get an airy sound quality from the stock tips.
post #262 of 1116
Was about to order the Turbines from macmall for $104 but they are out of stock. If I have to spend the $150 on them, are there better options out there? I listen to all music so I'm just trying to find an overall balanced IEM.
post #263 of 1116
I paid 180CAN which is about $150US and I am very happy with them and feel they are worth what I paid. I say this as someone on a tight budget who got these to celebrate a new contract. So this was not a light decision.
post #264 of 1116
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Originally Posted by Neijii View Post
Was about to order the Turbines from macmall for $104 but they are out of stock. If I have to spend the $150 on them, are there better options out there? I listen to all music so I'm just trying to find an overall balanced IEM.
Between $100 and $150, I liked the Atrios and Turbines. Can't go wrong with either one. You get more extras with the Atrios (tips, nicer case, etc.) and they have a much better cable but the Turbines are great at 2/3 the price.
post #265 of 1116
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Originally Posted by Neijii View Post
Was about to order the Turbines from macmall for $104 but they are out of stock. If I have to spend the $150 on them, are there better options out there? I listen to all music so I'm just trying to find an overall balanced IEM.
I am in a similar situation as you....I am also looking at the Sennheiser IE7 which I think retails for about $180 but, if you are prepared to go second hand, can be picked up for less. However, I don't think they have the bass of the Turbines.
post #266 of 1116
I'm coming from the er-6i, which had very little bass but a lot of clarity. If I could find the same clarity with a bit more bass, I'd be happy.
post #267 of 1116
Thread Starter 
if you like that sound but want more bass, you need probably to stay with balanced armature phones. dynamics will retain detail but have much more vibrations and bass to distract you from the details. it would be safer to stay with the balanced armature design if that is what you want.
post #268 of 1116
Can anyone comment on turbines vs beats? Lots of feedback on Turbines and I'm close to buying but I do like the cable on beats....
post #269 of 1116
I see that MacMall seems to have these in stock again according to their website. I may buy my wife a pair of these this summer from MacMall, they were worth the $180CAN I paid for them, MacMall's price simply makes them a steal IMO.
post #270 of 1116
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post
I see that MacMall seems to have these in stock again according to their website. I may buy my wife a pair of these this summer from MacMall, they were worth the $180CAN I paid for them, MacMall's price simply makes them a steal IMO.
I dont think they ship to canada because i just tred ordering a pair and there is no option.
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