Shure SE530 vs. Triple Fi 10 (wire vs fit)
Mar 26, 2009 at 8:02 PM Post #31 of 41
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Originally Posted by elnero /img/forum/go_quote.gif
jinx20001, recstar24 replied with much of what I would have said and more in regards to the multi-driver argument. That's really not what I was originally trying to get at though. What I was trying to point out is no matter what kind of logic you try to put behind your assessment, you haven't heard the IE8's so your comments really have no validity.


Oh....I guess I need to read better, because this whole time I thought jinx actually had listened to the darn things
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I agree in that you really can't judge something on its sound quality based on general anectodal evidence of very basic sound and driver principles - you end up getting a disconnect between the "theoretical" and the "actual" - and in many people's experiences, one driver "actually" can play highs and lows at the same time, and at a level that people find enjoyable
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Mar 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM Post #32 of 41
I've heard the Sennheiser IE8's and they don't distort when I listened to it at my maximum listening level. What mad me immediately hate the Sennheiser IE8 was the over emphasized BASS, I know it's a dynamic driver and they deliver a much more stronger and impactful BASS but this BASS was just too much. Also the HIGHS from the IE8's were too much and began to hurt my ears after 20 minutes of listening. The midrange was recessed and far less detailed than my Shure SE530's. Like stated before the Shure SE530 has to be the most natural sounding universal earphone out on the market. Shure has really made a wonderful earphone. The BASS is perfect, the MIDS is perfect...the HIGHS are natural and not eardrum shattering after long listening periods.

What Shure aimed for was a earphone that would produce sound as found in a concert or other live event. You won't hear HIGHS that present in a concert as found in earphones like UE TF10, ERP-4, Westone 3, and IE8.
 
Mar 26, 2009 at 9:32 PM Post #33 of 41
I agree with elnero but the OP should have enough reading comprehension to discern that jinx does not own the IE8; therefore, jinx's opinion of the IE8 is only worth 2 cents.
 
Mar 26, 2009 at 9:36 PM Post #34 of 41
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Originally Posted by VoLTaG3 /img/forum/go_quote.gif

What Shure aimed for was a earphone that would produce sound as found in a concert or other live event. You won't hear HIGHS that present in a concert as found in earphones like UE TF10, ERP-4, Westone 3, and IE8.



That is the exact same marketing slogan that Etymotic uses that their phones produce high fidelity sound as if you were listening to it live. I have an etymotic brochure I can scan for proof of that but it should be on their website anyway.

Any company that claims that their phones resemble live, accurate, and natural sound are just using marketing slogans.
 
Mar 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM Post #35 of 41
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Originally Posted by Usama /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I agree with elnero but the OP should have enough reading comprehension to discern that jinx does not own the IE8; therefore, jinx's opinion of the IE8 is only worth 2 cents.


Unfortunately that's not always the case plus Jinx20001 is fairly well renowned for posting that kind of misleading information.
 
Mar 27, 2009 at 7:59 AM Post #37 of 41
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Originally Posted by recstar24 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Oh....I guess I need to read better, because this whole time I thought jinx actually had listened to the darn things
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I agree in that you really can't judge something on its sound quality based on general anectodal evidence of very basic sound and driver principles - you end up getting a disconnect between the "theoretical" and the "actual" - and in many people's experiences, one driver "actually" can play highs and lows at the same time, and at a level that people find enjoyable
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i never said it cant be done, i just said its likely one driver will struggle before multi drivers do. and i stand by that, theres lots of headphones i have not heard, i was just giving homers a suggestion at what may be better for what reason, i still stand by my theory that the IE8 will perform better at lower volume, i dont ''know'' this for fact but im using experience from other single dynamic driver phones.

for instance the se530 i find quite boring at low volume, bass is minimal and plain and highs are very quiet.

but the cx95 for example show a little more bounce at lower volume due to it being a little more bass heavy at lower volume.

this is all i was getting at guys, its at high volume the shures shine, im not saying the IE8 dont because i just dont know, all i was saying is its ''likely'' the shures will play louder for longer perhaps. notice the words likely often do you, yes this suggests i do not know this for fact but its possible considering the driver arrangement and how drivers work.

ofcourse your all going to agree with elnero, especially those fond of the IE8 but you need to notice that im not putting the IE8 down, i was just giving a little advice based on experiences ''ive'' had with other headphones.

i always make it known that i either own or dont own a certain set of phones and i always explain my theory on things, if im wrong then im wrong to be honest i dont care, thats what we are here for, to learn and then use what we have learnt to teach others, again i may be completely wrong but everybody can see where my logic comes from, little did i know that headphones work completely different to speakers, you learn something new everyday, im sure thats one many didnt know, i stand beaten, bye.
 
Mar 27, 2009 at 9:34 AM Post #38 of 41
Will you guys give it a rest?

The 3 way designs are all ARMATURE drivers and are in no way comparable to DYNAMIC drivers in terms of their operation, frequency response, distortion or anything else. Multiple drivers are used in armature IEMS because of the inherent limitations of the drivers not because more of anything is inherently better... electrostats aside, the worlds best headphones are all SINGLE dynamic driver: R10, L3000, W5000...

This point is still moot because you're trying to compare apples with oranges, and I say this owning the SE530's not the IE8s.
 
Mar 27, 2009 at 5:39 PM Post #40 of 41
I'd say I have pretty normal medium sized ears. I have owned for extensive periods most of the Shure line, all of the Ety line and UM1, 2, W3.

Except for UM1 and UM2 I find T-500 Complys on the TF10Pro the most comfortable IEM I have ever worn. I think it is because they don't go in as far (violate you) as much as the others and it is only the tip that touches your ear. Granted I don't sleep or lie down with them. Just my $0.02
 
Mar 27, 2009 at 9:27 PM Post #41 of 41
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Originally Posted by recstar24 /img/forum/go_quote.gif

I believe the reason why the balanced armature designs all have multiple drivers is because a single balanced armature designs would have serious frequency response deviations all over the place, so you need 2-3 just to keep the frequency response somewhat linear.



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Originally Posted by mnemonix /img/forum/go_quote.gif

The 3 way designs are all ARMATURE drivers and are in no way comparable to DYNAMIC drivers in terms of their operation, frequency response, distortion or anything else. Multiple drivers are used in armature IEMS because of the inherent limitations of the drivers not because more of anything is inherently better... electrostats aside, the worlds best headphones are all SINGLE dynamic driver: R10, L3000, W5000...

This point is still moot because you're trying to compare apples with oranges, and I say this owning the SE530's not the IE8s.



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Good to know that I was somewhat on base - I just love how jinx is still so adamant about the multi driver thing (moar drivers is moar better).
 

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