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post #1711 of 2415
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Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post
Oh, I also wanted to ask you guys -- would it be possible to tap the RE1 to accept an I2S input? If so, where on the board would this be?

Not sure you can do this but it sounds like a good question for Kingwa PJ. AFAIK the data input to the DSP1 is via I2S already.

Peete.
post #1712 of 2415
Do you guys think that an I2S connection to the RE1 could top all other inputs in terms of jitter and SQ?
post #1713 of 2415
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Do you guys think that an I2S connection to the RE1 could top all other inputs in terms of jitter and SQ?
That's not possible without making major change to Re1. i already asked kingwa about the possibility.
post #1714 of 2415
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Originally Posted by Pricklely Peete View Post
Not sure you can do this but it sounds like a good question for Kingwa PJ. AFAIK the data input to the DSP1 is via I2S already.

Peete.
Yeah, I figured it was. I should think that we would just have to bypass or remove the DIR9001 receiver chip, if that converts the S/PDIF to I2S.

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Originally Posted by tosehee View Post
That's not possible without making major change to Re1. i already asked kingwa about the possibility.
Well it shouldn't involve major changes. But if there is a risk of damage I will forget about it. I'll ask Kingwa first though. I2S should theoretically eliminate the issues of jitter and signal reflections in cables, if the voltage or current coming from the transport can span a cable length. I'm not sure what modifications would have to be made to the Logitech Transporter though, and if they would be minor or major.
post #1715 of 2415
Why not just use the perfectly good I/V stage in the Ref 1? Works fine IMO with a decent pair of XLR cables.
post #1716 of 2415
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Why not just use the perfectly good I/V stage in the Ref 1? Works fine IMO with a decent pair of XLR cables.
I will try that first of course, but it is a passive IV with a buffer. I am going to try passive without buffer and nude Vishay, and if that isn't up to snuff an active stage.

What amps have you tried it with via XLR? (aside from the Phoenix because I've tried that and it doesn't sound as good as ACSS, but that could be due to the voltage-to-current conversions taking place in the Phoenix.) I want to make sure the DAC performs at the top of its game with the amp I'm having built.
post #1717 of 2415
Are you sure you weren't just hearing tonal changes? Once I switched to my DIY OCCC ACSS cables, there was essentially no difference (at least tonally) between those and the VDH The Orchid XLR (which, sans actually doing an RMAA test, I consider to be neutral). I'll test again though if you like and see if I can detect any difference in detail, now I've improved my transport somewhat.
post #1718 of 2415
I hear no obvious difference with my FBI-500 between stock ACSS cable and VDH XLR (lesser version of Curra's)
post #1719 of 2415
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I agree with Curra PJ about the I/V stage of the RE1. It's already as good as you are likely to see in any top end DAC. Of course experimenting with other stages (tube or passive/transformer coupled) is the name of this game but you may be pleasantly surprised by the stage it already has. It may end up being the best fit although I do understand your curiosity being a tweak junkie at heart myself

I feel the RE1 needs very little in the way of tweaks (which is why I targeted the wiring as the only obvious spot to upgrade). More meter measurements of various DSP1 headers have been requested so no news as of yet to report.

Peete.
post #1720 of 2415
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Originally Posted by Pricklely Peete View Post
I agree with Curra PJ about the I/V stage of the RE1. It's already as good as you are likely to see in any top end DAC. Of course experimenting with other stage<<SNIP>>
Ok, do I hafta drag it outta ya? What happened with the board wiring conundrum?
post #1721 of 2415
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Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post
I will try that first of course, but it is a passive IV with a buffer. I am going to try passive without buffer and nude Vishay, and if that isn't up to snuff an active stage.

What amps have you tried it with via XLR? (aside from the Phoenix because I've tried that and it doesn't sound as good as ACSS, but that could be due to the voltage-to-current conversions taking place in the Phoenix.) I want to make sure the DAC performs at the top of its game with the amp I'm having built.
The PCM1704 isn't going to like driving anything without a buffer.

Isn't the whole point of CAST to avoid I/V?
post #1722 of 2415
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The PCM1704 isn't going to like driving anything without a buffer.

Isn't the whole point of CAST to avoid I/V?
Yes, if you are using all CAST components. But I won't be.

And the PCM1704 chips aren't directly feeding the current signal that you get in the CAST cables. It goes through an output stage first.
post #1723 of 2415
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Ok, do I hafta drag it outta ya? What happened with the board wiring conundrum?
Apparently my wiring job from the get go was/is 100% correct. That is the only known fact at this point. Kingwa has requested that I swap back in the original board and see if that brings my RE1 back to proper function. If it doesn't I have to ship the entire thing back to him.

I'll update the post after the swap and testing of it. Keep your fingers crossed Les (and anyone else that cares ) that the board swap is the cure.

Peete.
post #1724 of 2415
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Originally Posted by Pricklely Peete View Post
Apparently my wiring job from the get go was/is 100% correct. That is the only known fact at this point. Kingwa has requested that I swap back in the original board and see if that brings my RE1 back to proper function. If it doesn't I have to ship the entire thing back to him.

I'll update the post after the swap and testing of it. Keep your fingers crossed Les (and anyone else that cares ) that the board swap is the cure.

Peete.
WOW, Good Luck! Hopefully the old board will fire back up!
post #1725 of 2415
I finally have it guys!

I had to travel almost 4hours by public transportation and 30mins by walk to catch a bus with this heavy beast in my arms.
The DHL facility in Montreal is very far away from downtown and unless you have a car, it is not easily accessible.

Anyhow, the RE1 has very good minimalistic looks. However, I do not like the air vents on the top and I would have prefered a simpler design top cover to match my other audio-GD gear.
Kingwa has demonstrated that there is no benefit or use in having air vents on the top.
I'm afraid that dust might settle in the DAC and damage it in the long run.

Do you guys know where I can find a tutorial, FAQ or manual on how this baby works? I've seen DIP switches near the DSP chip. I wonder what those are for.

Punk.
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