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post #121 of 1781
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Originally Posted by twhtpclover View Post
Why do you expect the driver optimized for 1792 also works flawlessly for 1796?

It may work by changing the .inf, but it may damage the SQ IMO..
a wild guess would be that C-Media constantly updates its CMI8788 drivers, gets them WHQL certified...and gives them to its OEM customers(Asus/Auzentech/Razer/HT Omega/etc), who then release them within their own package.

the Windows WDM device drivers are not from Asus(they only did the ugly sluggish GUI), and the ST drivers work just fine on the STX and the D2X, and all the other Xonar cards....and I'd dare to say that the SQ has improved, if not identical.

it's like Sapphire(and the likes) repackaging the generic ATi drivers

Maybe I should whine to C-Media to get "automatic samplerate" after all, as this needs to be implemented in the WDM system drivers in the first place.

PS: damn I'm listening to the 32bit remastered BEST OF from Barry White, the STX really gives a mind blowing SQ(w/ 3x49720HA and the latest ST drivers)
post #122 of 1781
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This mis matching is drives is nothing new. When the original 8788 cards were out many would use drivers from one model to get the features on another.
Every 8788 card used the same base drivers, Aside from Razor who had a custom UI made...

If you think Barry white sounds good on the STX with ST drivers... I bet your wondering how good it sounds on a ST with ST drivers?
post #123 of 1781
Sounds like the ST is your favorit Robscix
post #124 of 1781
well I'm still interested in the Claro Halo tbh...maybe it's got bit-matched drivers for a change?

but the ST is definitely on top of my buying list

BTW, I've read Uncle_Erik bashing the STX and saying that "the STX can only output 140 mW at max when a real amp can output 1W" and this guy saying that it can only output 2Vrms max(a major issue for high impedance phones) : http://www.head-fi.org/forums/5716008-post75.html

so I've asked the xbitlabs guys

here's their answer : X-bit labs - Discussion on article Two in One: Asus Xonar Essence STX Sound Card Review

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The built-in amplifier provides up to 20 volts voltage swing and more than 2x500 mW output power. It also have three gain settings for high, medium and low-sensitive headphones. The output impedance does not depend on chosen gain.
so maybe ppl should actually stop bashing the damn thing, and try/measure it
post #125 of 1781
By the way i will order one becouse thats what i'am waiting for 7.1 chanel plus headphone amp. i still have 1 daughter board from my Xonar deluxe card. I hope it will work together since Asus delays the daughter board.
post #126 of 1781
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Originally Posted by fine art acoustic View Post
Sounds like the ST is your favorit Robscix
Well, I released the Sneak Peak on the ST awhile back and have been testing it ever since. I test many cards though...
post #127 of 1781
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post
well I'm still interested in the Claro Halo tbh...maybe it's got bit-matched drivers for a change?

but the ST is definitely on top of my buying list

BTW, I've read Uncle_Erik bashing the STX and saying that "the STX can only output 140 mW at max when a real amp can output 1W" and this guy saying that it can only output 2Vrms max(a major issue for high impedance phones) : http://www.head-fi.org/forums/5716008-post75.html

so I've asked the xbitlabs guys

here's their answer : X-bit labs - Discussion on article Two in One: Asus Xonar Essence STX Sound Card Review

so maybe ppl should actually stop bashing the damn thing, and try/measure it
There is a guy that hangs at Guru3D and a few others fourms that has seriously modded the Halo... Black gate caps all around and OPA637's for every channel. -Nice mods.
I wouldn't worry too much about any bashers especially when it is just some guy who has never heard the product he is bashing or has other motives for bashing any internal cards.

You asked the Xbitlabs guys and they gave you the wrong answer. What they were trying to give you is the maximum ratings for the headphone amp chip.
Which is 30 Volts for single supply not 20V and both values have no bearing on the STX as it swings from +/- 12V for the amplifier circuits.
To note, as for the comment about a "real amp" putting out 1 watt. At full power and max values this amplifier chip can put out 1.5 Watts. That would not happen with this circuit though...
post #128 of 1781
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Originally Posted by fine art acoustic View Post
By the way i will order one becouse thats what i'am waiting for 7.1 chanel plus headphone amp. i still have 1 daughter board from my Xonar deluxe card. I hope it will work together since Asus delays the daughter board.
Yes, if you have the H6 DAC board off off the HDAV 1.3 then you can connect it right up to the ST and have the ST Deluxe.
post #129 of 1781
do we have any word of how much more/less the st is going to be yet? and how much its going to be to get the daughter board since they said it needs to be purchased seperately
post #130 of 1781
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Originally Posted by fine art acoustic View Post
Sounds like the ST is your favorit Robscix
identifying the ST and STX using the same drivers revision in a DBT using headphones would -theoritically- be next to impossible.

in a perfectly controlled room w/ killer speakers, it should be audible w/ a bit of concentration....again noone can hear 100ns jitter, let alone the much lower levels the STX is outputting
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Originally Posted by Technokat View Post
do we have any word of how much more/less the st is going to be yet?
it's slightly more expensive, check the link I posted
post #131 of 1781
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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX View Post
Well, I released the Sneak Peak on the ST awhile back and have been testing it ever since. I test many cards though...
Yes i know and i won't say anything wrong but it sounds like you are impressed over the ST. I know as well your position on testing many sound cards. I thing you did a good job on that.
Do you have any further impression on Burson OP?
post #132 of 1781
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Originally Posted by fine art acoustic View Post
Yes i know and i won't say anything wrong but it sounds like you are impressed over the ST. I know as well your position on testing many sound cards. I thing you did a good job on that.
Do you have any further impression on Burson OP?
Sure, I am impressed with the sound of the ST.

I have not tested the Burson unit. I have tested all the Audio-GD versions and the Burson unit is said to be a Audio-GD Earth.
These units offer some great sound and can make other chip opamps sound very cold and sterile in comparison.
post #133 of 1781
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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX View Post
Sure, I am impressed with the sound of the ST.

I have not tested the Burson unit. I have tested all the Audio-GD versions and the Burson unit is said to be a Audio-GD Earth.
These units offer some great sound and can make other chip opamps sound very cold and sterile in comparison.
Thank's for your impression. I still think about the Burson and beneficial of his smaler size to upgrade it with my LT1364 for the ST.
post #134 of 1781
Thread Starter 
The bursons aren't really smaller, Well a bit, just the PCB is turned out instead of in.
The burson is also more money. You should like the discrete opamps though as they sound very good.
post #135 of 1781
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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX View Post
Sure, I am impressed with the sound of the ST.

I have not tested the Burson unit. I have tested all the Audio-GD versions and the Burson unit is said to be a Audio-GD Earth.
These units offer some great sound and can make other chip opamps sound very cold and sterile in comparison.
What is your meaning about the different Audio-GD units Earth, moon, sun, Sun2. What will be the best chois of them?
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