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post #31 of 168
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Originally Posted by Skin View Post
Perhaps you were told something different than I, but when i've talked to Jack about his amps and upgrades he was not keen on doing them at a later date due to the substantial cost [parts + additonal labor + shipping]. While he will indeed do it, its simply far more cost effective to just request upgrades during the initial purchase.

Doesnt make much sense to me either to pay $600-$700 at a later date what would of cost you $400 when you bought the amp, especially with the amp only having cost $600 to begin with.
I agree. If you are having second thoughts about upgrading, just get the caps (and/or any additional upgrades), or the WA6-SE.
post #32 of 168
Thread Starter 
Well I've decided to go with the SE. Getting it with all of the extras is over $1900 after shipping, so I might put off getting the princess until later. How important is the $215 attenuator upgrade?
post #33 of 168

Marginal...

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Originally Posted by saintalfonzo View Post
Well I've decided to go with the SE. Getting it with all of the extras is over $1900 after shipping, so I might put off getting the princess until later. How important is the $215 attenuator upgrade?
From what I've read... the benefit of adding the DACT attenuator is marginal. It appears... that it may add very marginal clarity... and perhaps slightly improved balance - though, the improved balance may only be noticable at very low volumes. And... I've seen several comments that it may not allow you to achieve the just the right volume setting - which may be between steps.

"Jamato8" prefers the Goldpoint attenuator, and thinks it does add some better resolution, and clarity - which I think is more expensive.

But... with the various comments I'd seen... I thought its price didn't justify the addition.
post #34 of 168
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Originally Posted by saintalfonzo View Post
Well I've decided to go with the SE. Getting it with all of the extras is over $1900 after shipping, so I might put off getting the princess until later. How important is the $215 attenuator upgrade?
Jack told me the DACT was the least noticeable sounding of the upgrades. I would pay for the Princess rather than the DACT for best bang for the money.

Simon
post #35 of 168
If you are paying in the area of $2k for a fully modded unit, it should sound as good as the $2.5k ZD/SP amps. People read the WA6 is indistinguishable from those think the $600 unit is a giant killer. Not. This kinda proves the point of getting what you pay for. More is better. The last 10% becomes much more expensive per %, but it does bring improvement.
post #36 of 168
You would get more benefit from a Sophia Princess than anything else you could do to the WA6SE in terms of upgrades.
post #37 of 168
I am thinking of getting a amp for cater low/high impedence cans. Is 6SE good at both low/high imp cans? Sophia Princess seems to be good upgrade option but how about the Premium parts upgrade package?
post #38 of 168
as far as the upgrades are concerned you're paying a whole lot for very little basically. If you're money conscious, i'd skip it. Otherwise, go for it.

Origonally they never even listed optional upgrade packages, they only started to include them because some people kept requesting customization options.

The "stock" amps sound fantastic however.

You also dont have to do the whole package either so if you did want to upgrade some things, you could pick whatever you like.
post #39 of 168
So we can request only upgrade specific option? any below is recommended?

•Blackgate voltage filter caps, 150uf/350V
•Blackgate bypass caps, 220uf/16V
•Blackgate bypass caps, 22uf/350V
•MILLS voltage filter resistor, 3.3K/12W
•KIWAME load resistor, 56K/2W
•KIWAME resistor, 1K/2W
post #40 of 168
Thread Starter 
I'm a little skeptical as to whether or not audiophiles could tell the difference between stock and modded caps in a blind test, and $450 is a lot of money for caps imo. Then again, I'm inexperienced in this area and could be wrong. I'd love to eliminate the cost if I knew I wouldn't notice a difference. I've already decided to eliminate the attenuator upgrade and plan on placing my order tuesday. Any thoughts?

edit: have there been any blind tests done with this type of thing?
post #41 of 168
Please excuse my ignorance, but could somebody tell me what caps and attenuator are in the amp?
post #42 of 168
The DACT should give you better channel balance and may have a marginal impact on sound quality. It should last for a long time and dispense with problems normally associated with a normal volume pot. Only drawback is it is stepped and will only have a pre-defined number of volume settings. Probably something like 24 steps. I just sent my Raptor back to Ray because the volume pot is defective and the channels are imbalanced and one of the channels cuts out on occasion. This kind of situation could be avoided with a (stepper) DACT. Flip side is the volume pots are cheap and easy to replace on your Woo. It is not soldiered to a circuit board like my Raptor because of the PTP wiring in the Woo products.
post #43 of 168
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Originally Posted by saintalfonzo View Post
I'm a little skeptical as to whether or not audiophiles could tell the difference between stock and modded caps in a blind test, and $450 is a lot of money for caps imo. Then again, I'm inexperienced in this area and could be wrong. I'd love to eliminate the cost if I knew I wouldn't notice a difference. I've already decided to eliminate the attenuator upgrade and plan on placing my order tuesday. Any thoughts?

edit: have there been any blind tests done with this type of thing?
I think for the SE, the biggest difference will be made with the Sophia upgrade. I personally didn't think the caps upgrade was worth the cost...and I wasn't sure that I'd even prefer the upgrade sound to the stock version. The stock version is very very good.
post #44 of 168
After wrestling with this question I ordered the SE with parts upgrade and Sophia tube. To be perfectly honest, the Sophia was motivated in part by how crazy beautiful it looked lit I originally ordered without the the parts upgrade but later added it. I just didn't want to have to think about the "what if". I had recently sold some gear and had the cash, so it wasn't too hard for me to make the decision.

The SE was strongly recommended by Jack for the GS1000. Since I also like my HD650's the dual 'phone jacks made so much sense for me.

I drew the line at the DACT...just couldn't justify it.

Jack said mine should be shipping next week...
post #45 of 168

They Take A Long Time...

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Originally Posted by peanuthead View Post
I think for the SE, the biggest difference will be made with the Sophia upgrade. I personally didn't think the caps upgrade was worth the cost...and I wasn't sure that I'd even prefer the upgrade sound to the stock version. The stock version is very very good.
They take a long time to settle / burn in. "Jamato8" reports they are an improvement... but... you won't likely notice it until you've got over 500+ hrs on your amp. A lot of folks may never reach that point, if they "move-on" before they've got 500+ hrs on their amp.

Though, even then... I don't know if the improvement is proportionate to the investment.

Perhaps "Jamato8" or "Takezo" can answer that question, best.
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