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post #31 of 79
ok, y'all should recognize the severity of what obob is going to say:

the only person in this thread who doesn't need their head boxed is iriverdude, because he's the only one talking any sense, and I agree 100% with him (oh yes.)

USB streaming audio isn't even a PCM bitstream, its just communication between two devices, just like PCI for a PCI card (oh god, i've gone over their heads, I fear), what that means is there is ZERO SONIC IMPACT between the two (of course I'm being "ignorant and stupid" and should learn from you all, so ok, lets have my CS education replaced with mythology, lets ignore all of the professors, all of the books, all of the published research, all of the learning, and lets just go with some myth because some kid wants to believe theres a difference )

the OP is either a complete troll, or a complete waste of time (period.), and I simply cannot begin to accept his ignorance and insistince "IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!, IF IT COST MORE, THAT MEAN THERE DIFFERENCE!!!", no, that means someone was very smart and decided to mark something up a ridiculous amount to screw you

so how about you go buy a pair of Tice clocks and revel in that bit of nirvana
post #32 of 79
HeadLover, I can say with all surety that you will be happiest if you simply research the cables' make-up rather than the price. I am confident that you agree price does not necessarilly reflect the quality of a product. So the best you can do is look for a manufacturer who details the construction of their cable so you know what you are getting.*

As with anything, you need to strike a balance. There is no use buying a $300 USB cable rather than a $10 USB cable if you have problems which affect your sound to a much, much greater degree in other areas. For instance, shielding was one of the features mentioned. This is obviously very important. Let's say you have a very well shielded cable, using quality copper wire as a conductor. Let's theorize that it transfers power as cleanly as it can, and data as accurately as it can; we're assuming it is NOT the bottle-neck in your audio chain. Now, we have to worry about the signal and power BEFORE the cable. If the power your transferring to the cable is not clean, and the signal is not as unmolested as it could be, all of this BEFORE the cable, this super-duper cable is only going to be doing a great job of doing an inferior transfer to your DAP or what-have-you.

If you want to turn your computer into a super-audio station then you need to address the entire PC. Factors for consideration are the build quality and componentry choices included in your power-supply, on your motherboard and all add-on cards.

tl;dr Don't waste hundreds of dollars on a USB cable when you need several hundred more dollars worth of premium computer hardware to improve your situation.

*I've spent hours mulling over datasheets for particular hardware, even at times for connectors from different manufacturers just to find out the material make-up of their products. For instance Manufacturer A makes a 3.5mm stereo jack who's contacts are made of copper and plated with nickel. Manufacturer B makes the same jack but their contacts are plated with gold. Well, gold has greater electrical conductivity than nickel so I'm going to choose manufacturer B. However, the core of the contact being made of copper is important as it's conductivity is higher than just about everything except silver. One could argue that it's better to have a jack who's contacts are made with a copper core and plated with nickel than to have one who's contacts are made with a brass core and plated with gold because the electrical conductivity of brass is so much lower than copper.

So my advice would be to research the make-up of the cables you are interested in. In the end you may even humor the idea of creating your own cable simply because you may not be able to find a pre-fab cable you feel has a great combination of parts.

Oh, and as a side-note, although, you may get the idea that making a USB cable using silver wire as a conductor is a good idea, just remember that silver is also very fragile and not a good candidate if you need the cable to flex a lot. And as I pointed out earlier, when you consider all the other areas of your station that could use improvement, a super-duper cable is just going to be ridiculous.
post #33 of 79
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Originally Posted by iriverdude View Post
My mind is open to analogue RCA cable differences, but not USB cables and will not soften it when I think someone is talking rubbish that one USB cable offers "better sound quality" than another.

If you really think USB cables make a difference are you going to replace all your RJ45 cables with 99.999999% OFC "Audiophile" LAN cables?
i dont recall anyone using the term "better sound quality" verbatim, its just that you wrapped it in quotes as if it was someones statement.

i expressed differences in different cables, hence my analogue brand cable differences analogy, differences in my book are just that, not a better sound quality necessarily, they bring something different to the table

its funny, as most muggles would say the same thing about your statement about there being differences in analogue RCA cables, yet you believe that portion of the audio game, but refuse to believe on another form of interconnect, thats your perogative of course and although i happen disagree with your sentiments you in turn are quite entitle to disagree with mine, we can agree to disagree.

have you heard an axis usb cable? please bring context to the discussion by mentioning what you have sampled/used before now.

cheers.

p.s. lol, nah i already replaced my lan cables years ago with these
post #34 of 79
is it hard being a dick, professionally?


and he actually did link those Denon cables (smooth move)
post #35 of 79
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thats your perogative of course and although i happen disagree with your sentiments you in turn are quite entitle to disagree with mine, we can agree to disagree.
Your opinion is misguided and incorrect. If USB cables (and computer data throughput) bits were incorrect your computer data will be corrupt, and your computer would crash instantly. Also when browsing the internet it would appear gibberish and garbled. You're basically saying better quality cables will be more ...."error free?"

It is no different to flac versus WAV arguement.

Analogue RCA cables is a whole different story. If you were to send audio around your house the source will not be identical to end of the run due to noise and interference.

Sounds like you need to look into it.
post #36 of 79
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Originally Posted by iriverdude View Post
Your opinion is misguided and incorrect. If USB cables (and computer data throughput) bits were incorrect your computer data will be corrupt, and your computer would crash instantly. Also when browsing the internet it would appear gibberish and garbled. You're basically saying better quality cables will be more ...."error free?"

It is no different to flac versus WAV arguement.

Analogue RCA cables is a whole different story. If you were to send audio around your house the source will not be identical to end of the run due to noise and interference.

Sounds like you need to look into it.
QFT!
if "audiophile USB cables" exist, so too would have to exist mainboards with audiophile USB controllers, audiophile USB connectors, audiophile PCI slots, etc, and all of this would somehow be "better", even though the existing PCI/USB/etc standards seem to do just fine for NASA, the DoD, Intel, PARC, Utah-SCI, nVidia, AMD, TSMC, Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, and various other places that I assure you require more precision than your audio listening (sorry, but when human life or financial gain rides on it, it kind of takes precedence )

but no, you're 100% right, USB and PCI are awful and can't transmit any data and create massive flaws in all data transmitted, the next time you need any medical procedure done, ensure you bring your own cables and equipment, to ensure "error free" operation
post #37 of 79
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Originally Posted by iriverdude View Post
My mind is open to analogue RCA cable differences, but not USB cables and will not soften it when I think someone is talking rubbish that one USB cable offers "better sound quality" than another.

If you really think USB cables make a difference are you going to replace all your RJ45 cables with 99.999999% OFC "Audiophile" LAN cables?
You might want to reread what I've posted in this thread before attacking what you think "I think".
post #38 of 79
Quaddy, you make baby jesus cry

how does this logic escape anyone?!? the USB signal is identical between any cables. it is not comparable to an analog cable, because the signal is a bitstream of 1's and 0's. you dont need to read "scientific theory" if you dont want to, because I realize audiophiles dont believe in science. but at the very least learn from EXPERIENCE - has your external usb hard drive backup ever caused all your **** to mysteriously turn to noise? have you ever installed a program via your cd-rom drive, but by using a "non-audiophile"-grade SATA cable, found that the "undo" function no longer works in Office?

the lack of common sense, let alone acceptance of the most simple of data signal processing basics, is mind boggling. this is honestly worse than the claim that ALAC sounds different from FLAC sounds different from WAV sound different from ALC
post #39 of 79
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is it hard being a dick, professionally?
I've been observing you in recent threads and you appear to have a problem with this at the moment. Pot? Kettle?
post #40 of 79
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I've been observing you in recent threads and you appear to have a problem with this at the moment. Pot? Kettle?
sup mom, how you doing? can I borrow the car this afternoon?
post #41 of 79
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Originally Posted by iriverdude View Post

Would you buy Audiophile CPU's and data bus lanes if they existed?
Hmmm...

*begins writing business plan, contacting venture vultures*
post #42 of 79
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Originally Posted by fallsroad View Post
Hmmm...

*begins writing business plan, contacting venture vultures*
so a billion+ foundary, plus licencing fees to Intel or AMD (if you can even strongarm them into this), for 1000% mark-up on products, yeah I'm sure VC types would love to help you
post #43 of 79
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so a billion+ foundary, plus licencing fees to Intel or AMD (if you can even strongarm them into this), for 1000% mark-up on products, yeah I'm sure VC types would love to help you
Don't be a naysayer.

Solid silver, gold plated CPUs coming right up!

RAM modules with built in tuning disks!

Platinum north bridges!

*buys plane ticket to Silicon Valley*
post #44 of 79
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Don't be a naysayer.

Solid silver, gold plated CPUs coming right up!

RAM modules with built in tuning disks!

Platinum north bridges!

*buys plane ticket to Silicon Valley*
CPU contact traces already are gold plated, internally its either gold or copper along the non-conductive substrate, this is basically the standard of fabrication (ICHs, MCHs, CPUs, GPUs, DSPs, etc)

silver is a bad choice because of conductivity, corrosion, and other factors

platinum doesn't really garner any advantage (and oddly enough audiophiles don't use it, they love to waste money on silver or gold, but nobody markets platinum off to them)
post #45 of 79
I'd still buy it!
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