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post #91 of 108
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Originally Posted by Dan55 View Post
Do you have any thoughts on SR80 vs 225i? I was thinking about upgrading but have read some threads that indicated that there wasn't much difference between the SR80 and SR225. I see that you have both in your sig...
In comparison to the SR80, the SR225i have a noticeably wider soundstage, and dabble a little deeper into the base category. Sonically, the SR225i is the big brother of the SR80s IMO. I didn't find the SR225i to be any more sibilant or have noticeably harsher highs in comparison.

The shorter, fatter cable on the new "i" version is a pain to manipulate... and to my ears I don't detect any SQ improvement from the change.
post #92 of 108
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Originally Posted by CTechKid View Post
In comparison to the SR80, the SR225i have a noticeably wider soundstage, and dabble a little deeper into the base category. Sonically, the SR225i is the big brother of the SR80s IMO. I didn't find the SR225i to be any more sibilant or have noticeably harsher highs in comparison.

The shorter, fatter cable on the new "i" version is a pain to manipulate... and to my ears I don't detect any SQ improvement from the change.
Thanks for your impressions. Are the SR80s officially gone? I too am having trouble enjoying them for the first time in about five years after hearing some costlier cans. Thinking about the SR225i or saving up for a used RS1/2.
post #93 of 108
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Thanks for your impressions. Are the SR80s officially gone? I too am having trouble enjoying them for the first time in about five years after hearing some costlier cans. Thinking about the SR225i or saving up for a used RS1/2.
IMO a very lightly amped RS1 would be my personal choice for pure awesomeness. I have never had the opportunity to listen first hand to the RS2, but a quick search around these forums will yield a plethora of very luke warm results from those that have heard them.

The SR225i cans are great value for the money IMO, but for the truly dedicated Grado fan in search of that ultimate Grado gritty house sound, they'll always just be a stopgap for the RS1. If the Canadian currency didn't suck, and I didn't have to pay the Grado "tax" for living outside of the US, I'd probably be rocking some RS1s. (I dislike buying stuff thats been on someone elses head for any period of time, thus the reluctance to buy used).

While they aren't RS1s, I am by no means unsatisfied with my SR225i cans. They're a sonic improvement over the 80s without question, and have brought me one step closer to where I'd like to ultimately find myself in the audio realm.
post #94 of 108
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Originally Posted by CTechKid View Post
IMO a very lightly amped RS1 would be my personal choice for pure awesomeness. I have never had the opportunity to listen first hand to the RS2, but a quick search around these forums will yield a plethora of very luke warm results from those that have heard them.

The SR225i cans are great value for the money IMO, but for the truly dedicated Grado fan in search of that ultimate Grado gritty house sound, they'll always just be a stopgap for the RS1. If the Canadian currency didn't suck, and I didn't have to pay the Grado "tax" for living outside of the US, I'd probably be rocking some RS1s. (I dislike buying stuff thats been on someone elses head for any period of time, thus the reluctance to buy used).

While they aren't RS1s, I am by no means unsatisfied with my SR225i cans. They're a sonic improvement over the 80s without question, and have brought me one step closer to where I'd like to ultimately find myself in the audio realm.
I've been reading a bit about the relative merits of the SR225/RS1/RS2. I guess the controversy won't be subsiding with the "improved" line.

FWIW I was also averse to buying used phones until I received a used pair of ATH-ANC7s at my previous job. Its funny how quickly they go from feeling like someone else's headphones to feeling like "your" headphones.

You mentioned that grados sound best lightly amped. Is it possible to "overamp" them? I recently became interested in some of the more popular diy amps and intend to do some comparisons.
post #95 of 108
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Originally Posted by wovenhand View Post
Okay, what about shrillness..? The 3 models I heard where pretty much razor sharp with the set-up that was at hand.
When I tried the great-sounding RS-1's I had through a tube amp, it sounded awful -- sounds great in solid-state amps though.
But, some say their Grados sound good with their tube amps, so....
Go figure.
post #96 of 108
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Originally Posted by Dan55 View Post
I've been reading a bit about the relative merits of the SR225/RS1/RS2. I guess the controversy won't be subsiding with the "improved" line.

FWIW I was also averse to buying used phones until I received a used pair of ATH-ANC7s at my previous job. Its funny how quickly they go from feeling like someone else's headphones to feeling like "your" headphones.

You mentioned that grados sound best lightly amped. Is it possible to "overamp" them? I recently became interested in some of the more popular diy amps and intend to do some comparisons.

That is a question that requires an answer from someone well beyond my audio pay grade.

The reason I mentioned lightly amped, was because the RS1 sounds darn near perfect out of the box and completely un-amped IMO. The only noticeable difference I could detect between RS1 + RA1 vs just RS1 was a notch of additional clarity and detail as well as tiny bit of improvement with regards to instrument separation. Bass extension remained the same... at least to my untrained ears. I wish I could shed additional light on the RS1 and how to amp it, but all I have is a couple hours of auditioned shop time under my belt.
post #97 of 108
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Originally Posted by CTechKid View Post
That is a question that requires an answer from someone well beyond my audio pay grade.

The reason I mentioned lightly amped, was because the RS1 sounds darn near perfect out of the box and completely un-amped IMO. The only noticeable difference I could detect between RS1 + RA1 vs just RS1 was a notch of additional clarity and detail as well as tiny bit of improvement with regards to instrument separation. Bass extension remained the same... at least to my untrained ears. I wish I could shed additional light on the RS1 and how to amp it, but all I have is a couple hours of auditioned shop time under my belt.
While I agree with you, CTechKid, that RS-1s sound damned good without an amp, here's an experiment you (or anyone else for that matter) may want to try if possible.........listen exclusively to the RS-1 with the RA-1 for a few days. Then disconnect the RA-1 and listen un-amped. I think you'll "get it. " At least I did.......hearing is believing.
post #98 of 108
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Originally Posted by sadhanaputra View Post
@Sonichedgehog360:
How exactly are your pair 'better' compared to the one in the shop?
Bear us some good news, my good man!
Sadhanaputra, sorry for not replying soon. The SR225i is indeed better than the SR225. It is not much different, though. The SR225i bass is that little bit more deeper, like the SR325i, RS2, and RS1, since the driver chamber radius is now the same. Personally, the SR225 were my favorite when I tried them, since I didn't care for the mid-range coloration in upper and had the best treble extension, even compared to the SR325i (now "s"), which is a little grainy at best. The SR225i is now my favorite 'phone even more.

Now for Grado fan shout-out: I don't get it why people hate Grados. They reproduce accurately the uppermost octave that most headphones ignore. The AKG K701 is the closest in response to a Grado, but even it has a roll-off from 11-16 KHz. (If you think HeadRoom's Grado headphone graphs are right, forget it. Just look at their HD280 Pro graph, and you'll understand. This graph is probably most true to my SR225i!) Even my Logitech X-530 speakers can extend that far. I CAN tell with my teenager ears and I don't have HR hearing loss. I listened to a $50k pair of speakers at Overture Audio in Detroit, and Grados sound the most similar. If you want awful treble, buy a Sennheiser HD555/HD595. I guess people are gunnin' for a veiled sounded since headphones do reveal details mucher closer than speakers. If you want veiled, get it. The AKG K701 will serve you best, while keeping most of the detail and not coloring the sound. I, on the other hand, will keep the REAL detail I get with my SR225i's, thank you very much.
post #99 of 108

Couldn't disagree with you more...

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Originally Posted by Sonichedgehog360 View Post
Sadhanaputra, sorry for not replying soon. The SR225i is indeed better than the SR225. It is not much different, though. The SR225i bass is that little bit more deeper, like the SR325i, RS2, and RS1, since the driver chamber radius is now the same. Personally, the SR225 were my favorite when I tried them, since I didn't care for the mid-range coloration in upper and had the best treble extension, even compared to the SR325i (now "s"), which is a little grainy at best. The SR225i is now my favorite 'phone even more.

Now for Grado fan shout-out: I don't get it why people hate Grados. They reproduce accurately the uppermost octave that most headphones ignore. The AKG K701 is the closest in response to a Grado, but even it has a roll-off from 11-16 KHz. (If you think HeadRoom's Grado headphone graphs are right, forget it. Just look at their HD280 Pro graph, and you'll understand. This graph is probably most true to my SR225i!) Even my Logitech X-530 speakers can extend that far. I CAN tell with my teenager ears and I don't have HR hearing loss. I listened to a $50k pair of speakers at Overture Audio in Detroit, and Grados sound the most similar. If you want awful treble, buy a Sennheiser HD555/HD595. I guess people are gunnin' for a veiled sounded since headphones do reveal details mucher closer than speakers. If you want veiled, get it. The AKG K701 will serve you best, while keeping most of the detail and not coloring the sound. I, on the other hand, will keep the REAL detail I get with my SR225i's, thank you very much.
It's funny how personal sound is. I returned my SR225i headphones because the bass was severely lacking and the mids and highs slightly better on the SR325is headphones. I found that the SR325is headphones did everything better. Just goes to show you, you need to try them for yourself.
post #100 of 108
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
It's funny how personal sound is. I returned my SR225i headphones because the bass was severely lacking and the mids and highs slightly better on the SR325is headphones. I found that the SR325is headphones did everything better. Just goes to show you, you need to try them for yourself.
Yeah. Every Grado rocks. Everything I noticed about Grado is better (smoother, just more real and accurate). My old HD555s have been collecting dust since I don't like their ragged, distorted treble and dumb sound, slow sound. The HD555 was good and somewhat smooth, partly due to the treble being rolled off to hide its deficiencies. However, even its treble was worse than my $60 dollar set of speakers, though the Logitech X-530's sound much better than they cost.

That's why I went on a search for a better pair of headphones. The HD595's were pretty much the same as the HD555s, just a little better. Too much the same than different, though. Still dark, muffled, and over-rated. I didn't go Denon D2K'S, since co-worker of my dad said they were pretty much the same as HD595s, with just deeper bass. I liked the HD650s, since they extended better much in the treble, and many times smoother than my HD555, but it seemed to gradually roll-off a little too much. I then listened to the Grados. They were the best value sound response wise. I found myself liking the SR225. Nice bass, tight, quick and punchy, and accurate to a tea. Mids were smooth and enveloping. Treble was smooth and seemed to extend forever. SO much better the HD650s.
post #101 of 108
So are the i better than their older models
post #102 of 108
Thread Starter 

Sound better but....

I still maintain that the "i" sounds better in all the ways I mentioned. However, the big thick cord is a royal #@%*@%?@!! pain in the rear end. I like that it's a bit shorter but it's very difficult to manage. Worth the sound quality difference? Well to me yes, but thats just the way I am. To each their own.....

Rich
post #103 of 108
I got my sr225i like a week ago .. they sound terible out of the box,now with like 40hours on them,they sound a lot better,but i still notice subtle sibilance,which i dont remember hearing with the old sr225, Is the sibililance will go away? anyone having the same experience?
post #104 of 108
I have both versions and honestly the differences are so small. There just a little bit more bass.

So I'd say pick your poison, really doesn't matter which one you get.
post #105 of 108
anyone want to trade my sr225i with your sr225?
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