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post #46 of 246
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Originally Posted by HD_Dude View Post
The plot thickens!

Thanks again to everyone kind enough and knowledgable enough to supply suggestions. I appreciate it.

So far, here are the auditions I need to do:

Ultrasone
Denon (wish I could audition them with the mods)
Senn 650
Grado 325i (I know...but I keep hearing it referred to as 'the best phones for rock'

Gonna be a busy weekend.

Thanks
Good list, but perhaps consider the SR-225, RS-2 or RS-1 when you demo the Grado's. The 325i has a reputation for being on the high side of the spectrum. I don't think it will accentuate the bass like you're looking for.

Oh yeah...and Grado's are the best phones for rock.
post #47 of 246
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Originally Posted by subtle View Post
At the live music concerts I have attended in my past, which is 100+, the bass was rarely ever strong and overpowering the rest of the sound spectrum.
The bass on allegedly "bass heavy" phones (such as DT770 Pro) never overpowers the rest of the sound spectrum. Quite the contrary, sounds are clear and natural at all frequencies, including deep bass.
By contrast, so-called "audiophile" headphones underemphasize the bass. For proof, look at the graph of the K701, which shows a very steep rolloff starting around 200Hz (compare this to the graph of the "bass heavy" D5000, which remains flat almost all the way to 20Hz.)
post #48 of 246
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Headphones (and speakers) rated to 20Hz actually start rolling off well above that
Don't forget room compensation though. A speaker tested to 20hz +/- 3dB will most likely have lower response in-room.
post #49 of 246
Thats a bad example because we almost all agree that the K701 is bass light. Now for instance take a GS1000 for bass, or a properly amped HD650, or a Stax O2 etc.
post #50 of 246
I truly believe intoart hasn't a clue what a balanced sound is. Absolutely no comprehension. Basshead is truly all he knows. Which is fine, if that's his thing, but going around claiming the 770 has balanced bass is just idiotic.

I can also understand vvanfij's aggravation, its not frustration, iriverdude, you are just being annoying, haven't said anything anyone already didn't know, seriously, NOTHING you said was something anyone here didn't already know.
post #51 of 246
If you essentially like the 770 but think they lack clarity, my suggestion is to try a better amp. Those little portable amps offer some improvement, but IMHO they are mostly volume control.

A relatively inexpensive desktop amp like a Little Dot III (which I use coupled with the 770-80) will be a revelation.
post #52 of 246
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Originally Posted by ExtraNice View Post
Maybe you should look at more DJish headphones. I know a friend who DJS, he's got a pair of Technics and they've got more emphasis on the bass. Don't know if it's just his model though.
a very good post but ignored unfortunately


when i first bought Senn hd205 before even joining head-fi..i was a basshead...i had some preconceptions...that DJ headphones have amazing bass..and how true i was...although i missed the bloat..but the punchiness in bass was what made me experience the drums.

checkout DJ headphones like HD25, Ultrasones (dont remember the model name) etc.

also checkout Denon D1001, D2000



in the end...

no headphone can shake your entire body..so if u wanna experience bass in your skin..then get a subwoofer with open headphones.
post #53 of 246
20-40 Hz is usually smthg u feel and not hear.

if u wanna feel the 'hit' in drums..then those frequencies are around 100-120 hz.


so decide what kinda bass u like..the bass that u feel or the bass that u hear
post #54 of 246
Sorry, but I think that intoart's ideas on bass and on the DT770 Pro 80 are correct.
post #55 of 246
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Fair enough for music, however if you don't like bass why not listen to $10 tinny earbuds? Why pay more for phones with deeper, cleaner bass if you don't want bass?


What the hell!? Is bass all that should be produced accurately, to hell with other frequencies? We look for accurate and detailed bass (lack of large pressure of bass does not mean the bass frequencies are not there and clearly audible BY YOUR EARS, just not by your bones perhaps what you guys seem to be looking for), same for midrange and treble, big soundstage with accurate placement of instruments through that space, realistic timbre of instruments (acoustic. electronic is more mixer/master dependant), speed and decay and no congestion of sounds.
Tell me about 10$ earbuds that has even slightest idea about hifi sound.

Hifi is NOT about all bass and screw the rest, it has never been since audiophile hobby started. Bass is just part of big picture. Strong eardrum rattling bass is a different area all together.

Headphones have difficulties to play strong bass without messing up other frequencies because there is only one driver that has to do it all. Thats why many headphones with balanced sound lack serious power in sub-bass, and thats why bass heavy headphones often have recession problems in its midrange. Headphones have always been about compromises compared to speaker world, not to mention live-instruments. What headphones can offer over speakers is accuracy and detail for much cheaper price and no need to fiddle with room acoustics. Intimacy is a bonus too, no need to worry about bothering others.



This is coming from person who likes bass that can be felt. But I leave that stuff to speaker world.
post #56 of 246
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Originally Posted by iriverdude View Post
My RS-1's don't even come close to any half decent sub, and opposite sides of the galaxy with SVS PC Ultra 13.
Say what?

SVSound - Cylinder Subwoofers

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCom...phID[]=293

The SVS is flatter than the Grado. You would percieve a headphone as flat as the SVS as bass anemic.

As said most bass really low is felt in real life.

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If you want bass you can feel you need a sub. Phones cannot provide that bass unless they include a 6" transducer ontop of your head.
Really? A 6" driver will produce single digit low frequencies? Can you point me to a single driver spec sheet that proves that point?

A headphone will never replicate a subwoofer. But boosting the bass response of a headphone to artificially activate the upper harmonics to trick the brain into thinking there is bass is pretty much wrong. That is what people are trying to say.

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oh dear just because someone wants a sub you call them a chav bass head. Just buy a sound pressure meter and get the levels right. I cannot tell when my subwoofer is on, it blends invisibly with the mains....but shakes the house when called for.
Yes! Most bass heavy headphones have stupidly boosted bass. If you like your SVS and appreciate flat bass then stop arguing cross purposes.

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not sure about bass guitar being able to feel it, but I've heard real drums and kick drum feels real to me on the home audio system. It's not over the top that would be daft but enough to feel a small wave of pressure for every thump on the kick drum.
Yes you won't get a visceral impact with headphones.

What people are arguing is that bass heavy phones are unaturally boosted in the low freq. and muddy up the mid and upper frequencies. People used to muddy bass think that makes those headphones sound natural.

You are comparing Apples and Oranges.
post #57 of 246
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Originally Posted by intoart View Post
The bass on allegedly "bass heavy" phones (such as DT770 Pro) never overpowers the rest of the sound spectrum. Quite the contrary, sounds are clear and natural at all frequencies, including deep bass.
By contrast, so-called "audiophile" headphones underemphasize the bass. For proof, look at the graph of the K701, which shows a very steep rolloff starting around 200Hz (compare this to the graph of the "bass heavy" D5000, which remains flat almost all the way to 20Hz.)
Audiophiles love Midrange...get it?


midrange is where most instruments and details lie...unlike your '50% sound is bass' claim


u r a basshead..admit it.
post #58 of 246
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Originally Posted by MaZa View Post
Hifi is NOT about all bass and screw the rest, it has never been since audiophile hobby started. Bass is just part of big picture. Strong eardrum rattling bass is a different area all together.

Headphones have difficulties to play strong bass without messing up other frequencies because there is only one driver that has to do it all. Thats why many headphones with balanced sound lack serious power in sub-bass, and thats why bass heavy headphones often have recession problems in its midrange. Headphones have always been about compromises compared to speaker world, not to mention live-instruments. What headphones can offer over speakers is accuracy and detail for much cheaper price and no need to fiddle with room acoustics. Intimacy is a bonus too, no need to worry about bothering others.

This is coming from person who likes bass that can be felt. But I leave that stuff to speaker world.
Excellent analysis.
post #59 of 246
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Originally Posted by mbd2884 View Post
I truly believe intoart hasn't a clue what a balanced sound is. Absolutely no comprehension.
Then you believe wrong. I have been intom audio for more than 30 years, I played in my high school orchestra, both of my brothers are musicians, and I have attended many concerts (as well as acoustic jam sessions.)

Stand-up bass on the 770s sounds exactly as it does in real life (as do all other instruments.)
post #60 of 246
Well iriverdude is just clearly looking to annoy me, and has a very distorted view of reality. I mean:

'I guess I would be pretty pissed if I spent what you have on phones and equipment, and something like a £1400 subwoofer does stuff to you what no phones on earth can.'

What on earth am I supposed to comment on that. A wise man once said, 'don't argue with dumb people, you will always lose the argument due to flawed logic'.
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