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post #31 of 246
I think the bass is awesome on my grado SR80's. If I want more bass I just turn on my logitech x-540
post #32 of 246
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Denon Question

Quick question about the Denons...

Like most, if not all audiophile headphones, would they be best heard with a headphone amp?

I had this crazy thought that since I have top-of-the-line Denon AV receivers, they might somehow be 'matched' and I could get along w/o an amp.

I doubt that's true...but it would be nice!

Also, is the 7000 appreciably better than the 2000 and 5000?

Thanks again
post #33 of 246
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20hz is not ultra low bass (ok then what is? This is the lowest most people can hear at a specific age, the majority of people can't even hear that anymore.

And what do you mean with 'in single figures', I don't understand.
20hz is the area that subs should reproduce at loud levels without distortion. Under that and you've got a world class sub. Once you've heard ultra low bass cleanly you won't go back to lesser subs. Some movie soundtracks go down to single figures, I'd say 10-15hz is ultra low bass. Once you go down to single figures then you've got something stellar. Music doesn't have low bass, except for synth.

I don't think you've actually felt a real sub, you keep on using the word "hear" But that's not suprising if you've only heard headphone bass.
post #34 of 246
Don't go out speculating on what I have and haven' heard please. I'v heard them and I will gladly go back to lesser subs. I guess you are here talking about the 'feeling bass' thing, then I'm out. That **** is just for movies, sure I'd like to 'feel bass' when a car explodes, but it adds nothing to me in my music except for annoyence. Carry on.
post #35 of 246
I absolutely agree with vvranij, in all his responses to iriverdudes comments.

I still believe, the cheapest 15" subwoofer from Best Buy is the way to go for the OP.
post #36 of 246
Futuresonic's Atrios will get you exactly what you are looking for if you want an in ear monitor type headphone.
post #37 of 246
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Originally Posted by intoart View Post
Your preference for weak, anemic bass does not make other people wrong. It is merely your preference. Some of us prefer bass that is strong (like it is in live music), not attenuated to the point of being barely audible.
Do you attend death metal or drum and bass concerts?

At the live music concerts I have attended in my past, which is 100+, the bass was rarely ever strong and overpowering the rest of the sound spectrum. The only time it was like that was when the sound engineer was doing a poor job with the mixing board.
post #38 of 246
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Originally Posted by vvanrij View Post
I'v heard them and I will gladly go back to lesser subs. I guess you are here talking about the 'feeling bass' thing, then I'm out. That **** is just for movies, sure I'd like to 'feel bass' when a car explodes, but it adds nothing to me in my music except for annoyence. Carry on.
Fair enough for music, however if you don't like bass why not listen to $10 tinny earbuds? Why pay more for phones with deeper, cleaner bass if you don't want bass?

Do you use your phones for movies? If so you're missing a lot. I'd say for music the RS-1 bass is good but I think missing a couple of hz lower although that may because I'm not using a decent headphone amp.

If a kick drum isn't reproduced similar in feeling to your audio system (speakers/headphones whatever) then it's not realistic. Listen to 1812 or Kodo drummers ideally live and go back to your phones. On the HT I can get similar effect if I want to real life cannon fire and dial it exactly to the right level. It's like saying satellite speakers are great on there own. Nope.

Bass in movies not ****
post #39 of 246
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Originally Posted by iriverdude View Post
Fair enough for music, however if you don't like bass why not listen to $10 tinny earbuds? Why pay more for phones with deeper, cleaner bass if you don't want bass?

Stop pissing me off by telling me what I do, what I hear and what I like please. I never said I don't like bass, I told you I don't care for bass <20hz! And you think that expensive headphones only have deeper and cleaner bass?? How about the rest of the sounds?? Music is more than bass!

Do you use your phones for movies? If so you're missing a lot. I'd say for music the RS-1 bass is good but I think missing a couple of hz lower although that may because I'm not using a decent headphone amp.

If a kick drum isn't reproduced similar in feeling to your audio system (speakers/headphones whatever) then it's not realistic.

In that order it is never realistic, because I can't see it either.

Listen to 1812 or Kodo drummers ideally live and go back to your phones. On the HT I can get similar effect if I want to real life cannon fire and dial it exactly to the right level. It's like saying satellite speakers are great on there own. Nope.

Bass in movies not ****
Well thank you so much for giving your opinion again and again, and twisting mine again and again. I'm not going to respond to you anymore because its clearly useless. Stop pressuring your opinions on me, its just a sign of lack of confidence in yourself.
post #40 of 246
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Music is more than bass!
No really? Wow you're sooo insightful. I never knew music is just more than bass. You know I only listen to music with the subwoofer on. I've spend a few thousand on speakers and bi-amping them, but I never switch the amps on.

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In that order it is never realistic, because I can't see it either.
You can see music frequencies? Wow.

I can only guess you just don't like the idea of a speaker system doing stuff what your multiple thousand quid headphone system lacks on the low end of the audio spectrum.

Give me a pair of JM Lab Grand Utopias over any headphone setup anyday of the week. For movies a good HT beats headphones also.
post #41 of 246
You need the PRO750 or PRO900. Look into it.
Also, stay away from the HD650.
post #42 of 246
My 770s have less bass than my 650s lol
post #43 of 246
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post
You need the PRO750 or PRO900. Look into it.
Also, stay away from the HD650.
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Originally Posted by scootermafia View Post
My 770s have less bass than my 650s lol
The plot thickens!

Thanks again to everyone kind enough and knowledgable enough to supply suggestions. I appreciate it.

So far, here are the auditions I need to do:

Ultrasone
Denon (wish I could audition them with the mods)
Senn 650
Grado 325i (I know...but I keep hearing it referred to as 'the best phones for rock'

Gonna be a busy weekend.

Thanks
post #44 of 246
k181 with bass boost is just an overpowering amount of bass but if thats what you're looking for that's a good option.

The denon ah-d2000 is just right with bass in my opinion. The sound of bass is awesome with it on.

I don't agree with what alot of people here are saying. Bass is very important and it brings that feeling of satisfaction of music, however unneutral it may be. The reason why I even keep my D2000s when i have the rs-1 is because of bass, and that is more important to me than pretty much everything. If there is weak bass, it ruins the sound for me.
post #45 of 246
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Originally Posted by vvanrij View Post
Thats just an assumption made by you.
Wrong. It is a well-known fact. Headphones (and speakers) rated to 20Hz actually start rolling off well above that. Headphones rated to 5Hz remain flat to below 20Hz.
(I don't need to make assumptions, since I have decades of audio experience.)
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