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I've Just Got to Have Bass!

post #1 of 246
Thread Starter 
...Full, fat, bass that you can feel.

When an artist calls for a subwoofer hit, I want to feel it.

Like many musicians, the bass guitar for me is a percussion instrument, not just a musical instrument...and without it in sufficient supply, I feel the music has less rhythm, less power, less feel. Just my opinion.

My taste? Clapton, No Doubt, Plant, Pretenderrs, Kasey Chambers, etc.

I have the Beyerdynamic 880's...wrong 'phone for bass. Great otherwise.

The 770's are really good...the bass hits just right, but feel they're otherwise lacking in definition.

So, I'm looking at either the Grado 325i's, or the Sennheiser 650's.

I know they're different phones...and I've read a zillion threads here describing their sound...Grado's 'in-your-face' sound vs. the Sennheiser's 'laid-back'
sound...

But which has the best bottom end?

Thanks
post #2 of 246
Honestly, headphones won't have the bass you are looking for, the moronic, huge bass that just destroys the music you are listening to.

Buy the cheapest 12"/15" subwoofer from Best Buy, and the cheapest headphones you can find as the bass will overpower the rest of the frequencies anyways.

If you like the DT770 bass farts, you definitely will not be liking Grado or HD650. especially the HD650. By all accounts I read here, they are pretty neutral and have a balanced sound.

What you are describing here is furthest away from being balanced.

And contrary to your thought, most musicians feel bass is a support instrument, that gives the music some volume, a bass line. Its not to overpower or be heard above the rest of the music, so yes its just your opinion or opinion of bassheads. Mostly certainly not percussion, would piss off the drummer for sure if the bass player thought that...
post #3 of 246
My RS-1's don't even come close to any half decent sub, and opposite sides of the galaxy with SVS PC Ultra 13.

If you want bass you can feel you need a sub. Phones cannot provide that bass unless they include a 6" transducer ontop of your head.

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Its not to overpower or be heard above the rest of the music, so yes its just your opinion or opinion of bassheads.
oh dear just because someone wants a sub you call them a chav bass head. Just buy a sound pressure meter and get the levels right. I cannot tell when my subwoofer is on, it blends invisibly with the mains....but shakes the house when called for.

not sure about bass guitar being able to feel it, but I've heard real drums and kick drum feels real to me on the home audio system. It's not over the top that would be daft but enough to feel a small wave of pressure for every thump on the kick drum.
post #4 of 246
Just wondering about your actual preferences... are you sure you want huge, thick, juicy techno-style bass with the music you like to listen to.
I'm sure that kind of bass is good for dance, etc. but for pop music like Kasey Cambers it would kinda ruin the music... imagine listening to Clapton's "Tear's in Heaven" with techno-style bass. D:
post #5 of 246
With the DT770, pretty much what you described, bloated techno bass with Clapton. Bleh...
- When I auditioned the DT770 was with prog rock and indie stuff, and whole time was thinking, this is not prog rock or indie rock.

Go for the Subwoofers, seriously, instead of sitting on a chair, sit on the subwoofer. Attach a back rest on it, and you are good to go.
post #6 of 246
Forget the Grado models at this rate.

Have you seriously considered the BOSE 'phones?
post #7 of 246
Get Skullcandy, they will make you happy!
post #8 of 246
Maybe you should look at more DJish headphones. I know a friend who DJS, he's got a pair of Technics and they've got more emphasis on the bass. Don't know if it's just his model though.
post #9 of 246
Frick wrong thread
post #10 of 246
Guys, what's with all this scorn?

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Originally Posted by mbd2884 View Post
Honestly, headphones won't have the bass you are looking for, the moronic, huge bass that just destroys the music you are listening to.

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And contrary to your thought, most musicians feel bass is a support instrument, that gives the music some volume, a bass line. Its not to overpower or be heard above the rest of the music, so yes its just your opinion or opinion of bassheads. Mostly certainly not percussion, would piss off the drummer for sure if the bass player thought that...
The OP never stated what you said he stated.

The OP gave an example that the 770's DO have enough impact for him (though yes he also wants more 'definition' than what the 770's can give him). So he definitely isn't looking for "moronic, huge bass that just destroys the music you are listening to", which headphones supposedly don't have.

So why don't we give opinions using that as a baseline, instead of flaming?
What has the bass impact of 770, but with more definition?

Is it really that unholy to ask for some bass?

What about some Darth Beyers?
post #11 of 246
maybe the akg k181dj with bass boost
post #12 of 246
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbd2884 View Post
Honestly, headphones won't have the bass you are looking for, the moronic, huge bass that just destroys the music you are listening to.
Your preference for weak, anemic bass does not make other people wrong. It is merely your preference. Some of us prefer bass that is strong (like it is in live music), not attenuated to the point of being barely audible.
post #13 of 246
Thread Starter 

Peace!

Hey, didn't want to start a fight. Jeez!

It's like sadhanaputra observed. I'm not looking for techno, nor hip-hop, nor the kind of bass that people line their trunks with subwoofers for.

And I'm not looking to replace the artists' intent with a big boom.

I just respect artists. And if John Hiatt puts a strong bass line in the original 'Riding with the King,' I want it to be strong in my 'phones. Strong, not moronic.

If Ingrid Michaelson wants to use a big standup bass in 'Just the Way I Am,' I want to feel the strings being slapped and vibrating low, low, low.

If Avril Lavigne puts a subwoofer hit in the first part of 'Sk8r Boi,' I want to feel it.

Many artists do that. Lyle Lovett will occassionally throw in an insanely low sub hit...it's not mornic, not hip hop. Just his vision. And that's all I want.

Thanks to the civil members here. I appreciate it.

And to the others...I think we've met. Isn't your name, Dick?
post #14 of 246
ive had some monster car systems with big subwoofers, many here will laugh and say it aint possible but i recently got a headphone amp (i basso t4) to go with my sennheiser hd280 pros, now things gets stupid low, there has been a coupe times where i wondered if the spl (sound pressure level) insinde the 'phones was going to do any damage, NOT pure volume, but pure bass/sub-bass lows.

real satisfying quality lows. maybe down to 20 hz WITH AUTHORITY.

imo, no way to get real lows without a dedicated amp.
post #15 of 246
Ultrasone's
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