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post #91 of 129
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post
Well, I hate to be blunt, but of course Sennheiser is going to say the HD650s are better than the HD600. The HD650 first and foremost are more expensive, secondly the HD650 was designed as the successor to the HD600, so it would look bad for them to recommend HD600 over their new model.
That's also what I thought. The problem is the OP tends to believe the staffs more than the guys here.
post #92 of 129
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Originally Posted by Lil' Knight View Post
That's also what I thought. The problem is the OP tends to believe the staffs more than the guys here.
The OP hasn't really listened to much of what's been said here. Multiple people (including myself) have pointed out the futility of using HF graphs to divine sound signatures, yet he keeps posting them. People point out the HD650 isn't automatically an upgrade to the HD600 simply because it costs more, yet he continues to invent scenarios (what if I used a really expensive amp???) where he thinks people would choose the HD650. This thread could go on for 10 more pages, and I think he'd still keep posting graphs and looking at price tags to justify the phone he wants to buy.
post #93 of 129
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Originally Posted by lucky View Post
The OP hasn't really listened to much of what's been said here. Multiple people (including myself) have pointed out the futility of using HF graphs to divine sound signatures, yet he keeps posting them. People point out the HD650 isn't automatically an upgrade to the HD600 simply because it costs more, yet he continues to invent scenarios (what if I used a really expensive amp???) where he thinks people would choose the HD650. This thread could go on for 10 more pages, and I think he'd still keep posting graphs and looking at price tags to justify the phone he wants to buy.
That's obviously not true. Those questions were in reference to what gradofan2 said earlier in this thread. Don't make false accusations about me with that kind of tone.
post #94 of 129
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That's obviously not true. Those questions were in reference to what gradofan2 said earlier in this thread. Don't make false accusations about me with that kind of tone.
If you're really undecided, listening to the phones in person will do more to help you than thirty more pages telling you to get the HD600 will.
post #95 of 129
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If you're really undecided, listening to the phones in person will do more to help you than thirty more pages telling you to get the HD600 will.
I said that I'm going to go down to listen to the HD650 tomorrow. They don't have the HD600s for me to listen. But the last time that I listened to the HD650 it seemed very quiet, probably improperly amped as they split 30 headphones off of one source.

If my impressions are the same as before (ie. not too good) I'm going to go for the HD600 as the number of people who prefer the HD600 outnumbers the number of people who prefer the HD650.
post #96 of 129
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I said that I'm going to go down to listen to the HD650 tomorrow. They don't have the HD600s for me to listen. But the last time that I listened to the HD650 it seemed very quiet, probably improperly amped as they split 30 headphones off of one source.

If my impressions are the same as before (ie. not too good) I'm going to go for the HD600 as the number of people who prefer the HD600 outnumbers the number of people who prefer the HD650.
If you can, bring some of your music, too, so that you can decide whether it can resolve your kind of music well enough.
post #97 of 129
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Originally Posted by analogbox View Post
If you can, bring some of your music, too, so that you can decide whether it can resolve your kind of music well enough.
That's a good idea.
post #98 of 129
If they have them plugged into that big display where they share power, I would ask the employee to remove them and play them on their own amp, a dedicated headphone amp if they even have one.

Trying headphones out where they are severely underpowered is like trying to test a gun's accuracy without a target.
post #99 of 129
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Originally Posted by analogbox View Post
If you can, bring some of your music, too, so that you can decide whether it can resolve your kind of music well enough.
And then you can plug it into whatever amp you have and or want to get, using whatever cables and or tubes you decide on and then it is possible it may sound 100 percent different then the first day in the store. Good luck doing it the trial and error way. Well I don't like my amp so I am going to sell it and get another, gee my second amp needs a different sounding headphone so I will get new headphones and you can be on the equipment swapping merry-go-round like most people are. you will never realize the full potential of the headphone (For your purposes) doing it this way, you must tune it to sound the way you want. The point to all this is if you choose a system that can be tailored then you can tune it to sound however you want it to sound. Im not sure about you but im too old for the merry-go-round. What difference could it make what the 650 sounds like if the 2 of them are so close as many say? You want to start out with warmer then get the 650 or do you want to start out with something a tad more neutral? Decide and pull the trigger, I chose the 650 because bass quality was important to me and it scales better in that department. Its kinda like if you are going to build a stock car racer out of a production car and your worried about the trim level on the car. Why spend so much time on a decision like that?
post #100 of 129
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post
If you want balanced get the 600 cable not the 600 headphone.

Per Stefan Audio Art:

Performance TIP: The Sennheiser HD600/580 stock headphone cable is MUCH better sonically than the Sennheiser HD650 stock cable. The HD650 stock headphone cable uses considerably more signal polluting dielectric which degrades the audio signal. If you want to improve the overall sound of your HD650's, change the stock headphone cable to the HD600/580 stock headphone cable. That improvement just scratches the surface as far as how much sonic improvement the Equinox cables offer the Sennheiser HD650, HD600 and HD580 headphones.

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So many people mis judge the headphones because of the damn cable they put with the 650. The 650 and 600 are the same headphone aside from the stiffer chassis on the 650 and the improved headband and lesser cable. Think about it, makes sense huh?

Funny how all these kids are putting 650 cables on their 600's thinking it will sound better and it just makes it bloated and veiled.
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So your saying cables do make a difference huh? I owned the V3 as well and it sounds terrible, I sent it back to Alex. Its tipped and thin and ruins the bass.
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So your saying cables do make a difference huh? I owned the V3 as well and it sounds terrible, I sent it back to Alex. Its tipped and thin and ruins the bass.
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I think I will go with what SAA says as HeadphoneAddict LOVES the V3 and I hate it with a passion. Its funny the connectors on the V3 didnt fit right and caused the ocassional dropout which is why I made Alex return my money. The real connectors to have are the genuine article on the SAA cable. They fit perfect. Equal install and removal pressure, the V3 had one so tight it wouldnt come back out and one was loose. Thats the difference between DIY and R&D.
I would have never believed it if I hadn't heard it myself, but the APS V3 cables arrive sounding bright and tipped up and after 100 hours of burn-in are neutral/balanced, transparent and very detailed. Even 50 hours makes a difference. I have APS V3 on my HD600, HF-1, RS-1, and Edition 9 and I heard the changes with burn-in each time (except for the 1st HD600 cable which I bought used and burned-in already).

I've had three different HD600 cables from APS (still have two of them, one I sold was to connect to the back of a DAC) and the connectors have always fit properly.
post #101 of 129
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
I would have never believed it if I hadn't heard it myself, but the APS V3 cables arrive sounding bright and tipped up and after 100 hours of burn-in are neutral/balanced, transparent and very detailed. Even 50 hours makes a difference. I have APS V3 on my HD600, HF-1, RS-1, and Edition 9 and I heard the changes with burn-in each time (except for the 1st HD600 cable which I bought used and burned-in already).

I've had three different HD600 cables from APS (still have two of them, one I sold was to connect to the back of a DAC) and the connectors have always fit properly.
After some trial and error with Silver/Copper hybrid IC's and HP cable I have decided Silver cables are absolutely not for me, just don't like the sound I get with them, this is purely a matter of taste. As for the dropouts in the cable, I don't have it anymore and so I guess you can decide if you believe me or not. It is Alex's policy to fix problems and he was unable to reproduce it with his headphones and after a long period of time with him sitting and listening to my cable I contacted him and said hey, can it be fixed or not? He said it was probably the springs in the cable recepticles and I said this was not a problem with the OEM cable, and it wasn't because the entire time he had my cable I was using the stock cable and the problem disapeared. I don't have this problem with the Equinox and need to say the connectors on the SAA cable are different than the ones Apure is using and they physically fit better and seat in the headphone uniformly and with the proper amount of pressure. I know Alex does good work but in my case I had a 330 dollar cable that did not function properly and frankly I did not like the sound I got from using it. Alex was nice enough to offer a refund as I waited for a month to hear him say, "Its the springs in your headphone". I thank him for that and im sorry it didn't work out better, it was my intention to keep it after the repair but since none was available what was I to do? I will say it sounded much better than the OEM cable as it let the headphones become more forward, with no veil and the sound was mid centric and subtracted some bass weight and if I remember correctly it didn't add very much impact at all. It would make a great sound signature for someone with a taste for that type of sound or someone liking a genre that benefits from having the entire mid section brought forward.

BTW, I do want to say the problem with the connectors was not severe as it occurred several times a week and as far as im concerned it was just one of those freaky things that doesn't make sense. I also apologize if I seem to be knocking Apure but that is my excitement over the sound I get from the Equinox as it was exactly what I wanted and has enabled me to reach what I consider the pinnacle of my headphone system.
post #102 of 129
blue, I just realized you are an OFC fan and both my V3 (SPC) and XLR interconnects (SS) are silver. Yet another thing you can hold against me
post #103 of 129
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post
blue, I just realized you are an OFC fan and both my V3 (SPC) and XLR interconnects (SS) are silver. Yet another thing you can hold against me
I feel bad looking at Larry's post as I realize I have been dumping on Apure. Hey, if you like silver then silver it is, that is why I keep telling everyone "Cables Make a Difference" and just because you cant hear it doesn't mean I cant. Judge with your ears and try to build a system that full of components that complement each other in a way that is best for you. Use your ears and ditch all the graphs and such. I chose as well as I could by reading constantly and then the other half of the equation was tuning and now I love my rig man!!!
post #104 of 129
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post
And then you can plug it into whatever amp you have and or want to get, using whatever cables and or tubes you decide on and then it is possible it may sound 100 percent different then the first day in the store. Good luck doing it the trial and error way. Well I don't like my amp so I am going to sell it and get another, gee my second amp needs a different sounding headphone so I will get new headphones and you can be on the equipment swapping merry-go-round like most people are. you will never realize the full potential of the headphone (For your purposes) doing it this way, you must tune it to sound the way you want. The point to all this is if you choose a system that can be tailored then you can tune it to sound however you want it to sound. Im not sure about you but im too old for the merry-go-round. What difference could it make what the 650 sounds like if the 2 of them are so close as many say? You want to start out with warmer then get the 650 or do you want to start out with something a tad more neutral? Decide and pull the trigger, I chose the 650 because bass quality was important to me and it scales better in that department. Its kinda like if you are going to build a stock car racer out of a production car and your worried about the trim level on the car. Why spend so much time on a decision like that?
It's all up to personal taste. True, they sound very close with each other but the difference is there. It may not be as apparent on most recordings but once you put on a highly detailed record and do a side by side comparison it is clear that the HD650 has more bass and the HD600 had better treble extension. And for my taste, regardless of the equipments or the cables, HD600 fitted better as I wanted a neutral sounding phone. Now, I don't know what kind of gears OP has or will get but it's much easy to build a rig if you have the right phone to start off. And sometimes, you can save a lot of money by having the right phone that you're perfectly happy with.
post #105 of 129
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Originally Posted by analogbox View Post
It's all up to personal taste. True, they sound very close with each other but the difference is there. It may not be as apparent on most recordings but once you put on a highly detailed record and do a side by side comparison it is clear that the HD650 has more bass and the HD600 had better treble extension. And for my taste, regardless of the equipments or the cables, HD600 fitted better as I wanted a neutral sounding phone. Now, I don't know what kind of gears OP has or will get but it's much easy to build a rig if you have the right phone to start off. And sometimes, you can save a lot of money by having the right phone that you're perfectly happy with.
Very true. Its funny when I started this journey I thought of myself as a detail freak and now I realize if the bass isnt perfect then the rest cant be perfect. It is possible to get a nice bass line with plenty of detail though, just takes a lot of anal system matching to get it though.
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