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post #31 of 129
One more thing, if you have a tube amp with some decent tube rolling options and good cables then you can tube roll and get whatever sound signature you want. If I put an Amperex 7316 in my gain socket then the 650 will sound light and balanced like a 600. We are talking about changes in the sound signature that are dramatic, like 99 percent, so why would you get the older model? Too many people keep switching amps and headphones when some tube rolling is all that is needed. Its a shame.
post #32 of 129
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Originally Posted by musicmaker View Post
The point I'm making is that the HD650 is a different sounding headphone than the HD600 using the same cable. As simple as that. I'm sure they made changes to the HD650 which yields a different sound. I just happen to like the 600s sound better.
Like I said, if you dont think im right then ask Sennheiser. They even use the same drivers anymore.
post #33 of 129
Thread Starter 
It seems that the sennheiser guys keep telling people that the HD650 is better.
post #34 of 129
olblueyez, I appreciate your opinion. I don't always agree with you, but I don't see you giving anyone the right to their own opinion. If people don't agree with you, your answer is to put them on ignore or claim they are lying?

I don't mean to turn this thread into bickering, but I don't see where I've done anything to be ignored. If you can pm me some examples of things I've said I will look at them and reconsider. I'm not perfect.
post #35 of 129
Liveried in a slick deep gold-grey and gloss black look, these cans are largely the same headphones as the HD600 with a few quite noteworthy improvements. First and foremost, Sennheiser has improved the baffling damper for tighter acoustic control, and boy did that work nicely! The measurements of these headphones are as close to perfect as we’ve seen, and the sound is probably as close to perfectly neutral as we’ve heard from Sennheiser. The traditional Sennheiser sonic 'warmth' has been coupled to a clarity of detail in the HD650 that is hard to beat by most other reference-grade headphones. Design-wise, the earcup grilles on the outside of the earpieces have been made sturdier; those who have suffered a dented housing on their HD600’s will likely be appreciative. A new velour headband pad design improves on the already legendary comfort of the HD650 headphones, and a slightly tighter tension on the earcup adjusters makes for a more secure fit. The HD650 cord has also been much-improved with a thicker OFC cable design terminated to a full-sized 1/4" plug. A short cable-style adapter to a 1/8" (3.5mm) mini-plug jack is handily included in the HD650 package. We definitely more than recommend these headphones: We say shell out big & cry once, but forever have world-class audio at your ears!




Though the HD650's re-designed Sennheiser cable is certainly better than the original stock cable, we continue to VERY highly recommend the Cardas Audio upgrade cable for truly ultimate detail resolution, musical texture, instrument separation and soundstage clarity. The significant audio benefits of the Cardas Audio cable upgrade will be especially evident with reference quality high-end audio sources.
post #36 of 129
Thread Starter 
Now I read that the HD600s are more "aggressive" "attacking" "grainy" etc... That sounds like the Grados.

And the HD650s are supposed to be "lush", "smooth", and that sounds like what classical music should sound like.
post #37 of 129
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post
Though the HD650's re-designed Sennheiser cable is certainly better than the original stock cable, we continue to VERY highly recommend the Cardas Audio upgrade cable for truly ultimate detail resolution, musical texture, instrument separation and soundstage clarity. The significant audio benefits of the Cardas Audio cable upgrade will be especially evident with reference quality high-end audio sources.
The ironic thing is that this apparently quote from a Cardas cable advertisement states the opposite of your view about the original stock cable versus the new stock HD650 cable. If Cardas is always right, how can they be wrong about this?
post #38 of 129
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Originally Posted by Goit View Post
Now I read that the HD600s are more "aggressive" "attacking" "grainy" etc... That sounds like the Grados.

And the HD650s are supposed to be "lush", "smooth", and that sounds like what classical music should sound like.
The sonic differences between the 600s and 650s are pretty small, but noticeable. I found the 650s to be nearly identical but slightly and I mean slightly darker with a little bit more bass presence. This is like having a hamburger with american or cheddar cheese. Different, but not much. I don't think you can go wrong by choosing one or the other, really. The HD600 is a little cheaper so it may be easier to afford.
post #39 of 129
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post
If you want balanced get the 600 cable not the 600 headphone.

Per Stefan Audio Art:

Performance TIP: The Sennheiser HD600/580 stock headphone cable is MUCH better sonically than the Sennheiser HD650 stock cable. The HD650 stock headphone cable uses considerably more signal polluting dielectric which degrades the audio signal. If you want to improve the overall sound of your HD650's, change the stock headphone cable to the HD600/580 stock headphone cable. That improvement just scratches the surface as far as how much sonic improvement the Equinox cables offer the Sennheiser HD650, HD600 and HD580 headphones.

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So many people mis judge the headphones because of the damn cable they put with the 650. The 650 and 600 are the same headphone aside from the stiffer chassis on the 650 and the improved headband and lesser cable. Think about it, makes sense huh?

Funny how all these kids are putting 650 cables on their 600's thinking it will sound better and it just makes it bloated and veiled.
I remember HeadphoneAddict saying that the HD-600 to HD-650 cable was a bigger improvement than the 650 to an APS V3 cable. It completely contradicts what Stefan Audio Art is saying.
post #40 of 129
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I remember HeadphoneAddict saying that the HD-600 to HD-650 cable was a bigger improvement than the 650 to an APS V3 cable. It completely contradicts what Stefan Audio Art is saying.
So your saying cables do make a difference huh? I owned the V3 as well and it sounds terrible, I sent it back to Alex. Its tipped and thin and ruins the bass.
post #41 of 129
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I remember HeadphoneAddict saying that the HD-600 to HD-650 cable was a bigger improvement than the 650 to an APS V3 cable. It completely contradicts what Stefan Audio Art is saying.
That's interesting actually and it makes me even more curious where he got his quote for reply #35 as it contradicts the Stefan Art quote.
post #42 of 129
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post
The ironic thing is that this apparently quote from a Cardas cable advertisement states the opposite of your view about the original stock cable versus the new stock HD650 cable. If Cardas is always right, how can they be wrong about this?
Do you expect Cardas to knock Sennheiser in print? Or would you expect a former Sennheiser employee (SSA) to tell you the truth?
post #43 of 129
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post
That's interesting actually and it makes me even more curious where he got his quote for reply #35 as it contradicts the Stefan Art quote.
I think I will go with what SAA says as HeadphoneAddict LOVES the V3 and I hate it with a passion. Its funny the connectors on the V3 didnt fit right and caused the ocassional dropout which is why I made Alex return my money. The real connectors to have are the genuine article on the SAA cable. They fit perfect. Equal install and removal pressure, the V3 had one so tight it wouldnt come back out and one was loose. Thats the difference between DIY and R&D.
post #44 of 129
The better way of addressing it would have been to simply avoid a comparison of the HD600 cable to the HD650 cable in his advertisement altogether. This eliminates the need to lie as well as the possible exposure of the lie. He could have said his cable was better than both stock cables and been done with it.
post #45 of 129
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post
The better way of addressing it would have been to simply avoid a comparison of the HD600 cable to the HD650 cable in his advertisement altogether. This eliminates the need to lie as well as the possible exposure of the lie. He could have said his cable was better than both stock cables and been done with it.
A better way for you to address it would have been to look at the sight and you would have seen that it is listed under cable tips and it is part of no advertising SAA participates in.
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