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HD600 vs HD650?

post #1 of 129
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I noticed that the HD650s are heavily discounted at some places that now they are almost at the price of the HD600s. But I hear that the HD600s sound better than the HD650s, which are supposed to be "veiled".

I'm not sure which one to get.
post #2 of 129
The HD600s have more neutral and balanced sound than that of the HD650s. They're also more comfortable when wearing a long time.
post #3 of 129
Call them veiled unless you get a decent cable and amp them properly, then not only will they sound better then the 600 but they will scale better as well.
post #4 of 129
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Originally Posted by Lil' Knight View Post
The HD600s have more neutral and balanced sound than that of the HD650s. They're also more comfortable when wearing a long time.
How is the 650 not neutral?
post #5 of 129
Between the two, I'd get the 600. I've heard neither, but what I've read suggests the HD600 offers a more neutral sound compared to the bass-heavier 650.
post #6 of 129
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How is the 650 not neutral?
They have more bass than the 600.
post #7 of 129
I agree with Lil' Knight. I've owned both. Sold the HD600, got the HD650, sold that and purchased the HD600 again. The 600s definitely have a more neutral and balanced sound to my ears than the HD650.
post #8 of 129
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post
Call them veiled unless you get a decent cable and amp them properly, then not only will they sound better then the 600 but they will scale better as well.
Do you need to recable the 600s? Or only the 650s?
post #9 of 129
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Do you need to recable the 600s? Or only the 650s?
You don't really have to recable either but, after trying the V3 cable and the SAA Equinox I have discovered that the Equinox is perfect for the 600/650. For me the faults of the 650 have always been a lack of bass impact and the veil in the sound where vocals reside. The Equinox reduced bass weight slightly and added lots of impact. It also brought that section of the mids forward so vocals are clear and crisp like a 701 and all this while still retaining the over all smoothness and even with these changes the sound is very balanced, no part of the music sticks out like a sore thumb. With the V3 Copper/Silver hybrid it basically made everything more forward to the point of having the midrange trample the bass making the bass weak and over all it was nowhere near as natural as the Equinox. So my recommendation to everyone looking at cables is two things, start with the Equinox as SAA has a great return policy and also to stay with copper unless you know for sure something with silver is what you want.
post #10 of 129
I spent a lot of time at CanJam 08 in Florida comparing 600s and 650s. Always with a good amp, and usually re-cabled (which you do yourself, since the new cable just plugs in).

Agree with posters here: 600 more natural, 650 bass emphasis. For classical music, 600 is the winner hands down. For rock it is a different story; you might prefer the 650.

I bought the 600, a Zu balanced cable, and I love it with a balanced Beta 22. Even with the stock cable the 600 is great with the EF-1 hybrid (I do believe the EF-1 was voiced for the 600).

(I have to say that of late I reach more for the 600-ohm beyer 880s than the Senn 600s ... but the 600s are great, no doubt.).
post #11 of 129
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post
... For me the faults of the 650 have always been a lack of bass impact and the veil in the sound where vocals reside. The Equinox reduced bass weight slightly and added lots of impact. ...
Interesting ... never thought of that ... do you mean that the bass emphasis I hear in the 650 ("weight") actually detracts from the transient speed of bass notes ("impact") ?
post #12 of 129
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Interesting ... never thought of that ... do you mean that the bass emphasis I hear in the 650 ("weight") actually detracts from the transient speed of bass notes ("impact") ?
I'm not sure if that is what causes it but without the cable the bass for me even with a Mullard gain tube was mostly weight and not enough impact for me. Now the reduction of weight I spoke of may be a result of the added impact with the Equinox but either way the over all bass presentation is soooooooooooooooooooo much better with the Equinox. Lots of impact, proper amount of weight and blends right in with the mids perfectly. I also wanted to say the changes made by the Equinox we drastic for me as the V3 basically made everything tipped where as the Equinox was more precise as to how it improved the sound (Fixed what needed fixing without causing other problems), I think that is the problem with silver, it changes everything top to bottom. Just remember that its not coloring the sound but letting the amp do what it is supposed to do as compared to the OEM cable that muffles the bass and vocals. Im writing all this because if people are willing to plunk down for an Equinox cable then there is no need to compare it to the 600 (I would think). Seems to me the 650 is an improvment over the 600 but the new cord they gave the 650 causes everyone to get the wrong impression. the 600 is known for a light bass and brighter highs (If you are looking for faults). The 650 doesnt have those faults and it is my opinion that it will scale better beause of this.

BTW, I recently added a smooth Plate Telefunken to the gain socket on my amp and the Tele combined with the Tungsol driver tubes gave me too much impact to the point of trampling the mids, so I pulled the Tungsol's and put Sylvania Gold Pin 5687 tubes (More mellow and smoother than the Tungsol) in the driver section and I got a grin from ear to ear. I cannot believe how good my rig sounds just now.
post #13 of 129
not that it's bad to discuss again, or in different ways. but to the OP, if you really want to learn about the differences, do a search. This has been discussed to death here, and most likely, many people won't post who already have... good luck though!
post #14 of 129
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not that it's bad to discuss again, or in different ways. but to the OP, if you really want to learn about the differences, do a search. This has been discussed to death here, and most likely, many people won't post who already have... good luck though!
I have searched them and I wanted some new opinions. My local store has the HD650 but not the 600, I heard the 650 on some jazz stuff that they were playing. But the 650 wasn't properly amped as they used a splitter to play over 20 headphones at once from one DAC. Thus the 650 sounded extremely quiet and I have a hard time hearing anything, thus the HD555 sounded better than that.

But stores like JR have huge discounts for the 650 at practically the price of the 600s, and I was wondering whether to get it or not since technically it's supposed to be "better" as it is a higher model.

Now since I don't believe in cables, that should mean that I should get the HD600.

I made the same decision to get the HD555s over the HD595s. I found the HD555s much more spacious and sweet and the HD595s sounded stuffed.
post #15 of 129
get HD600 if you like balanced sound.
get HD650 if you like more bass.
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