Are expensive cables silly squiggly snakes? Ahhh! Mine eyes! - Page 61

You keep aluding to your qualifications but have never offered any substance.

Bring it on, embarrass me.

One 'weak' point in those tests are, that they are short term tests (i think church test was done maybe few times, this test with DACs, same). Nobody was sitting there in tests for few months. If someone is at home, then he can evaluate and try his system hundreds of times during few months. During this long time repeatings you start automatically recognize some patterns heard before, so you can recognize some things quicker or more trusted ways. ...
But it takes times and practice, to find this way to automatically recognize/separate 'things' from each other... to become master.

interesting how you don't answer this simple question gregorio /\

it is conspicuous by its absence in my opinion!

perhaps you cant take it, but can only dish out your selective breed of dictat when it suits you.

How about NO ANSWER for proof that cables make a difference. No proof at all. None with laboratory conducted DBT testing or from testing the wires themselves.

OMG, you haven't heard Pear Audio's $7,000 cable, you don't' know what you are talking about. (Or whatever other obscenely priced cable for the gullible)

Pfft, dumb argument.

P.S Change your name to ElitistJerk?

How about stepping up with some proof for this thread instead of coming up with the lamest arguments possible in a cable discussion/debate?

I personally couldn't care less how much gullible consumers spend on their cables. But don't come spouting they make a difference, it will improve your headphones, your speakers or whatever else without proof. That's just plain stupidity. Saying I can hear difference, even though it defies all scientific proofs that it doesn't make a difference, well that is just proves placebo exists. Good job, way to go, we already know placebo exists.

Test don't always resolve an argument about audible equipment. Looking at headphone graphs you would think that a lot of the headphones on the market sounds virtually the same. However, when you hear them, a lot of them are drastically different.

Keep in mind that I hold the same main view as you about cables. I just think that tests aren't absolute in the world of audio. That in no way means that physical test are useless.

Double blind test are an entirely different case altogether. I believe that it is truly the only way to decipher a difference.

As I said before, the simple proof of the lack of effectiveness of cables is the fact that this argument resurfaces so often. In a forum where people spend hundreds and thousands on audio equipment, this argument continues every year. You don't see the same on a grand scale with sources, amps, and headphones. Why? Because they undeniably make MUCH, MUCH more of a difference. That is a fact.

Yet, I still spend $100 or more on my cables because I want to make sure that what I have is of quality and up to par with the rest of my system. Where I do agree is with Uncle Erik. There is a ridiculously high markup for commercial cables. The same quality cables can be had from DIY'ers here on these boards for 1/4th the cost(I've purchased a few here). There is no doubt that we pay a premium for *some* commercial cables. No doubt at all. The thing is for some people, that premium is worth it, and that is cool. The way I see it, is that it's not much different that me paying $1500 for a DAC that sounds 10-20% better than $300 DAC's.

mbd2884, how about coming up with something new instead of the usual categorical statements and insults? What's your thoughts on the issues raised on the previous page in posts 891, 895, 898, and 899? Offer something useful and thoughtful, if you can, instead of the usual stuff that trolls like to post.

For example, do CD players or DAC's sound different in your view? Can you show me some proof?

This has to be the most immature posting in this thread, bar none. It's the same cr@p I've read among little children in a gaming thread when they argue over who has the best mouse.

It's incredible how you nor any other gullible Head-Fier has yet to step up with any proof. How about stop telling people they can't afford to hear a difference among cables and come up with some proof. I say it again, and will say it again in the future, provide the proof. So far all you've proven to me and I'm sure others is you are extremely gullible and placebo has so overtaken your mind with money symbols blinging in your eyes as you look at your cables instead of actually hearing them.

Er, you need to turn your Irony Detector on.

Hey I don't mind posting stupid sh*t in a thread full of lame excuses for spending thousands on snake oil. I keep checking this thread to see if someone will actually provide some substantial evidence that cables make a difference. But as seen, none at all, absolutely zero, how pathetic.

mbd, don't bother, we obviously aren't rich enough to hear the difference


for anyone who disagrees with me -> sig response #3

Uh, I was making a joke. I have a lot of respect for Uncle Erik and agree with probably 90%, or more, of what he says on this forum. I was having some fun with him.


Your refusal to even try to respond to my previous post and offer anything thoughtful just proves what a lot of people already know, namely, you are one of the top 5 trolls on all of Head-Fi. You truly have nothing valuable to contribute.

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I find this thread fascinating in a gruesome way like a bad soap opera.

Having spent a couple of months empirically testing cables I know that the ones I have tested in my system which have been

Solid Copper ($35 and $60)
Stranded Copper ($0.77 , $2.11 , $5 , $10 and $26.75)
Silver Plated Copper ($99)
Stranded Silver ($92)

are not measurably different to any notable degree and show the same level of attenuation, FRs, timing and amplitude characteristics with only some minor differences in noise rejection (but only really with the $0.77c cable) . To me and in my system the differences are not audible.

I am not prepared to generalize beyond that, but nor am I prepared to bother with expensive cables any more.

I am currently using a $2.11 pair of Monoprice cables

and this is what most testing shows (and this has been flooded into this thread as well), but theres always the "no, just because science says it, doesn't mean its right, we have more money, and you're poor, and therefore we're right!" responses

monoprice rocks btw

what conservatory did you go to. what orchestras did you play with. you probably suck