Are expensive cables silly squiggly snakes? Ahhh! Mine eyes! - Page 7

I am beginning to think you are ignorant to a ridiculous level.

If you are capable, answer me this please:

Do you see a black hole in your vision yes or no?

Nothing ignorant about it, you say cables are inaudible beyond a certain level (BJC) and what you dont understand is I am telling you that you are dead wrong and there is nothing you can say that will change that. I see a black hole in your head. The sight analogy your about to write has nothing to do with all this. Your inexperienced and dont know what your talking about. Its pretty simple if you ask me.

Hah! How would you know, or admit, if you are ignorant?
Also nice job dodging my question.

I suggest you refrain from posting here, as your input is contributes nothing to anyone.

Quantum theory is not just "a branch of physics" . Everyting in physics adheres to the laws of quamtum mechanics. The other laws are simplifications that as a rule of thumb work most of the time.

Dr. Strangelove, can I ask why you think that the point of zero return is at $200 (or earlier). How do you know that it isn't at $600, $2000,...

There is no dodge, I learned the same thing in grade school 30+ years ago. Like I said before, go get some cables and listen and them come back and tell me all about it because your opinion is useless without experience. Im not interested in hypothetical BS and your full of it.

Gen Relativity does not adhere to QM, and vice-versa. Yet both have been confirmed by experiment.

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But Classical Mechanics does and that's presumably more in the realm of what we are speaking of. Anyways, this is probably far off topic.

I do not know, but it is my reasoning that it is much lower.

This reasoning is derived from a multitude of things that I have read, but fore most, it is that I believe markup on such cables is quite high, and as such, the cables would probably be equal in materials cost to one that was not marked up as high, hence the cable would most likely not be any "better" than the budget one.

In any case, we cannot really derive much from this debate with out experiments, so I think our positions of having opinions but admitting they are not facts to be good stopping points for the time being.

Lol save for blue eyes however (but he is removed to such a far degree he would not believe measurements if shown to his face : P).

But what kind of experiment would you do find the point of zero return? How do you define (scientifically) "return" here? IMO it is impossible to measure the point of zero return. This is what I was alluding to earlier when I said that not all of audio is measurable.

I disagree. The point of zero return (Not low but zero) is were the ear drum cannot register the change in sound and the neurons (telling the brain the drum registered a hit @ x frequency) do not fire. An example would be this scenario:

If a high end cable is said to provide more high end extension vs. a budget cable then the higher frequencies should be louder vs. the budget cable. If the high frequencies ARE extended on the high end cable, but are not detectable by the ear drum, then that cable is beyond the point of zero return.

As long as folks are truly happy with their purchase, feel it makes a positive difference thats fine.

However, I do wish they would consider the fact that cable probably cost 5c a meter when it was made at the huge industrial cable factory in China or Poland.

As I've posted before, very very few high-end cable companies make or design their own cables. Often the wire is bought in then re-sheathed and labled somewhere else. Cable is very cheap because it has to be made in huge kilometer runs to make it viable. If a hifi firm went to a cable firm and asked them to manufacture a cable that they claimed cost even $50 a meter in copper/silver they would be laughed at or asked for a few million down payment and have to take delivery of 20 km worth.

One cable factory I looked up made 25000 different types of cable. You can bet quite a few of those found their way between folks speakers and amp.

I dont have an issue with offering rebadged products to folks. What I do object to is the huge mark up a lot of these products take on. I just wish there was a little honesty. I dont care what the cable was originally specced to do (hell I used cooker flex once) or who made it, as long as it works and has a reasonable cost thats great.

Another way to look at it is, how much does an ounce of even the purest copper cost? I bet its not much and teflon sheathing?

Actually standard Grade A copper is around 10c an ounce if I did my sums correcly.

You can buy a tonne for around $3500. Thats a lot of cable.

This is a gross simplification of how sound is transmitted to the brain (for starters the eardrum is not the only point of entry for sound perception).
But even if we start at this point to measure things: how are you going to measure -objectively- if the eardrum is affected by a soundwave (or air particle?) and in what measure of intensity? What is in this case THE eardrum?
I honestly see no obvious way to objectively measure that. And make it applicable to all eardrums and nervous systems.

I voted first one, however I would not spend 50$ on a cable. I would spend maximum 20$, because I will be getting the same sound signature with a billion dollar cable than with a 20$ EDIT: i said 20$ as a significant quantity. Obviously for a 10cm wire I would spend the minimum possible

You SHOULD NOT admit there are differences in between cables, if there are differences in how you listen to your music. A strict scientific method has to be followed in order to really compare two things. For an instant you can not compare two cables knowing which one is which, as you would force yourself to believe that the more expensive one has to sound better, for the fact it is more expensive. Then sound has to be leveled. If you listen to something louder your believe it sounds better, when it is not the case. And there are more things to follow...

Well now, we guys know how good is Bose and how expensive it is, and how people -who don't know the truth behind bose- buy it thinking because it is expensive IT HAS TO BE good. The truth stands far away from that statement.

Well with cables it is the same, and even more when the only purpose of cables is to transport electricity (electrons moving at speeds close to light's)

Very long cables are needed to actually experience a loss in the output signal, but not in the sound signature. The solution to that would be simply to put the volume up, on the source.