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post #121 of 1535
2/9/09 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
Do you need to know the price of a cable to know its quality?
In a poll that lists prices??

I never said quality.

The first choise is "No, spending more than $50 on any cable is snake oil". How would you know this without trying? If this was the case the poll should have been "No, other people or my logic tells me spending more the $50 on a cable is snake oil"
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post #122 of 1535
2/9/09 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
^Yeah, still a lot of work to do, but they have made a lot of tests, following that methodology, and I believe it more than what anyone's experience might have been, as experiences have been different in each case, and on the tests they always try to follow that method as thorough as possible.
Maybe that method is useless, maybe people need time to acclimate to the complexities of the music using a certain piece of equipment for days, weeks, or even months in order to tell what exactly a new piece of hardware does. You guys seem to think music is a simple thing and can be remembered instantaneously and then retrieved on command minutes later. Its not that simple, never was and never will be.
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post #123 of 1535
2/9/09 at 1:33pm
Give me the link to that site, please.

However i disagree with this guys opinion. You can make the conclusion that when people HEAR DIFFERENCES it is because they SEE differences. But when time for a PROPER blind test comes, there are no differences.

So do you listen with your eyes or is it with your ears?
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post #124 of 1535
2/9/09 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post
Maybe that method is useless, maybe people need time to acclimate to the complexities of the music using a certain piece of equipment for days, weeks, or even months in order to tell what exactly a new piece of hardware does. You guys seem to think music is a simple thing and can be remembered instantaneously and then retrieved on command minutes later. Its not that simple, never was and never will be.
Do not start to make vague conclusions please. Talking about myself I have spent almost all my life with music and know more about music than about Hi-Fi, each one can think what they want, and they can buy what they want with their money.

You can also trick yourself thinking it sounds great or believing it DOES sound different. So I encourage the people who can, to make a LEGIT blind test. You can follow their methodology. It is quite scientific. (What is 100% reliable in this world?)
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post #125 of 1535
2/9/09 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
Certainly depends on the cable!
Its not the price tag that matters, but how its built and sound. Price and quality don't always have a correlation, even if it often do have.
Here is a guy who has 22 thousand posts and so well thought of that he had an amp built to honor him. I am going with my experience and his as they are parallel so far. As for all the mumbo jumbo, waste your time if you like but I do hear differences in cables just like you guys can hear the difference between amps or headphones. And if you want to make blanket statements about placebo and perception then do not speak for me or about me as you are confused and choose to believe what you read and not what you hear.
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post #126 of 1535
2/9/09 at 1:43pm
Or you are confused and are "afraid" to make a blind test thus realizing every cable sounds the same... (so you have actually spent a lot of money for a better looking cable)

People can decide what to believe

olblueyez, please give me the link of that article you quoted above
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post #127 of 1535
2/9/09 at 1:44pm
Will be great to have option to not show the signature it in the message body.

I prefer 1 line style, take less place and it's less annoying for others peaple.
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post #128 of 1535
2/9/09 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
Do not start to make vague conclusions please. Talking about myself I have spent almost all my life with music and know more about music than about Hi-Fi, each one can think what they want, and they can buy what they want with their money.

You can also trick yourself thinking it sounds great or believing it DOES sound different. So I encourage the people who can, to make a LEGIT blind test. You can follow their methodology. It is quite scientific. (What is 100% reliable in this world?)

You have been told why your testing methods are bunk and you still persist. What I am saying is to do the testing but at a much slower rate so you will know for sure what you are hearing and according to your logic should make the test more reliable, do you have alternative motives for not wanting to do long term testing? Whats wrong, will it prove you are barking up the wrong tree?

http://www.hometheaterblog.com/homet...-a-difference/
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post #129 of 1535
2/9/09 at 1:52pm
Well if you have read their methodology, they spent some time getting used to each cable/source, after that made some tests (not only one guy, a group of people), and not a five minute test, i will give you how much time they took for making tests ok?

Their tests are not as easy and or straightforward as you put them. Plus for you their testing is bunk, but you do not have any real way to prove it is nonsense

And "you have been told", well it has been you who explained another method, but yours can be as valid as theirs.
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post #130 of 1535
2/9/09 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post
Hey look, I found one too.
Give me the link to that article please, I want to read it completely Post 119
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post #131 of 1535
2/9/09 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
Well if you have read their methodology, they spent some time getting used to each cable/source, after that made some tests (not only one guy, a group of people), and not a five minute test, i will give you how much time they took for making tests ok?

Their tests are not as easy and or straightforward as you put them. Plus for you their testing is bunk, but you do not have any real way to prove it is nonsense

And "you have been told", well it has been you who explained another method, but yours can be as valid as theirs.
It would be interesting to know how much time was spent with each cable.
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post #132 of 1535
2/9/09 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
Give me the link to that article please, I want to read it completely Post 119
Do cables make a difference? : Home Theater Blog | Home Theater News & Reviews
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post #133 of 1535
2/9/09 at 2:01pm
Have to do some work, will be back later
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post #134 of 1535
2/9/09 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by Kees View Post
Quantum theory is not just "a branch of physics" . Everyting in physics adheres to the laws of quamtum mechanics. The other laws are simplifications that as a rule of thumb work most of the time.
Take it up with Princeton.
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post #135 of 1535
2/9/09 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by CompressionalFlagellation View Post
Take it up with Princeton.
You take it up with Princeton. They're fooling you, not me.
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