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post #46 of 522
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Originally Posted by Gu Sensei View Post
Thanks for starting this thread, Wovenhand.
My pleasure! Nice to see the thread getting some action too.

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Originally Posted by Gu Sensei View Post
I was just impressed how good they sounded right out of the box.
I hear ya. A sigh of relief and a "Yeeees!" was my immediate response when putting on the D7000's and turning the volume pot. It almost sounds as if Denon excercised the drivers prior to shipping, cause they exhibit zero of the "flaws" brand new cans can have prior to burn-in. No congestion, firm deep bass and smooth top end. I like.
post #47 of 522
It's like you opened up my skull, scooped out my thoughts and wrote them down. The only small difference would be that I never really warmed up to the GS-1000s (with Bagel pads). Other than that, it is borderline creepy just how much I agree with what you said in that post.

BRAVO


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Originally Posted by Gu Sensei View Post
Thanks for starting this thread, Wovenhand. I was ready to post the D7000 love thread about three days after bringing them home, but at that time only a few folks had them. It has been a lot of fun to see more and more members chiming in and enjoying them as much as I do. It is good to have a place to meet with like-minded members and gush about them without restraint.  I have yet to subscribe to a thread at HeadFi; this one I will!

So, let me contribute something meaty to our new little ‘association’:

These are the first headphones that I have found that are completely satisfying to me in that they fit my tastes well, bring multiple true high-end aspects to their sound signature, seem to handle every genre that I have thrown at them with aplomb, and have no deal-breakers. That last one is pretty big, as settling on a #1 headphone for me is like Seinfeld trying to choose on a girlfriend. Here are a few of my deal-breakers and the headphones sent packing because of them: excessive brightness (W5000), insufficient quantity and quality of bass (K701), smallish sound/headstage (RS1), poor fit (K1000), and prohibitive price (L3000).

For my tastes and the music I listen to, the D7000s are nearly ideal. For me, it all starts with the lower end. I love bass and I love funky music that features it. Even with other kinds of music that do not really emphasize or rely on the lower end, I still prefer to be able to enjoy whatever bass is there. When I audition headphones, I look to the bass first and want to see that it runs deep, is prominent but not overwhelming, shows good definition and speed, and still has something very, very special on top of it all.

I have owned two pairs of headphones that completely satisfy my demanding bass needs: the L3000 and the D7000. I would really like to have them both side-by-side to compare and contrast, but the L3000s are gone (see above). Perhaps the L3000s do surpass the D7000s in most ways, but I am not so sure without having them at the same time. My sense is that they are equally impressive but just in different ways. However, I do feel quite confident about this point; if someone offered to give me either pair for free with the knowledge that they would be the only headphones I could own, I would grab the D7000s without hesitation. Outside of the bass, everything else about the sound signatures is tipped towards the D7000s for me. Throw in the price as a factor, and it is no contest.

A few other points of adoration-

-I really like bright phones but too bright is a problem. I love the GS1000s but they are too bright at more involving volume levels. The D7000s just hit it perfectly. Occasionally a little bright toe just crosses the line, but 99% of the time, they get it just how I like it.

-They have a very speaker-like sound- deep, rich, big, full-bodied.

-They are perfectly comfortable. The D5000s were the king of comfort for me, but these are better. I have tried on a few too-loose D5000s at audio stores, and the D7000s are a bit tighter but in no way uncomfortable.

-I think they amp well. I have tried them with a variety of respectable amps (tubes: Leben CS3000, HA-02 and SS: HA5000, Apache, CEC 53Rv8) and the sound signature changes slightly but they always sound great. I have yet to find an amp that somehow made them sound bad, even cheap ones (RA1, Marantz DV9500 headphone jack). I do not at all feel like I need to keep trying different amps to get them to sound acceptable (I am thinking of you GS1000s!). At the same time, they do scale up well and allow great amps to shine. They are quite neutral and so you can flavor them via amps quite nicely. I love what my Leben does in terms of soundstage, warmth, and sparkle but the Apache definitely provided more resolution.

-They are expensive, but not like the rare out-of-production headphones. If they settle in the $650 range, I would say they are a down-right bargain in comparison to flagship models from other manufacturers.

-They are gorgeous. Not eye-catching like L3000s or R10s, but they look and feel as luxurious as they sound.

-They do poor recordings very well. Sibilance is almost a non-issue.

-In fact, these are the best all-rounders I have ever heard. I have yet to hear a genre, artist, album that the D7000s do not handle well. I don’t feel like I need to change headphones every time I change the type of music I am listening to.

And now for the reality check-

Are they alien technology from the future? No. They are headphones and sound like headphones. They are a significant step up from the D5000s but clearly retain a very similar sound signature. I have owned or heard a few legends (K1000, L3000, Omega II, HP1000) and feel that they fit right in with that crowd (for my tastes, I would still take the D7000s over any of those). I have never heard the R10s, PS1s, Qualias or the Orpheus’. I do not think they are some revolutionary product, just dang good.

As far as my tastes go, I honestly do not feel that they have a weakness and I never feel like they are lacking when listening to music. But, I can identify a few areas that could be tweaked to make them even more impressive. First, they will never become famous for the size of their sound/head stage. I do so love a big soundstage and will pass on very good headphones without one. The soundstage is not like the K701s or GS1000s but it is still more than good enough for me. I also love detailed headphones. They are not hyper-detailed like the GS1000s or CD3000s but they are still very detailed. Finally, the bass is not the same hard-hitting, speed demon type found on the L3000s or the Ultrasones. But it is not far off and it has soooo much more going on that just may not be available if engineered primarily for speed. When I first got them, I thought they were a touch slow. Either my brain has adjusted or the issue disappeared with burn-in. My Ultrasone 780’s still hit harder but no longer sound faster.

One thing I like is that there are some mods out there that can be applied to the Denons DIY or through a service. Thanks MarkL. Do I think the D7000s NEED to be modded? Absolutely not. Will I try some of the mods? Probably. Specifically, I would like to stuff the pads and maybe try one of the larger woodie cups to see what that does to the sound stage. As far as the damping goes, I am much less interested. If it speeds the bass up a bit and makes it a little more hard-hitting, that would be fine but not at the expense of anything else that I love about the bass. I had the MD2000s with APS v3 for a little while for comparison and while they were extremely impressive, I am not sure that the full mod will move the D7000 bass in a direction that I like. At the very least, the option is there. Maybe later when the D7000s are completely familiar will I see about tweaking. At the moment, I just see no need to void my warranty.

Could they be replaced? Absolutely. If another pair of headphones comes around that bests them for my tastes and price range, I will gladly say “Thank you very much” followed by a friendly “Smell ya later” as I see the D7000s out the door. But, it would all start in the lower end. They would have to have an equally special bass (or better, a guy can dream!), have a completely agreeable sound signature, reasonable price, good comfort, bigger soundstage, more details, etc. and yet still not sacrifice anything critical. When I find that, I will move on with an even bigger smile on my face. I am a big fan of the D7000s, but not an irrational fanboy.


Now, for a little more love to wrap things up.

If you search my posts, you will find a respectable period of time that I gushed almost entirely about the GS1000s. I went through many headphones to find them and was quite satisfied despite a few short comings (too bright and not perfect all-rounders). I was really hoping for a complementary phone to replace the L3000s when I brought the Denons home. Previously when I auditioned new headphones, I patiently listened and cycled through my standard demo tracks trying to get a handle on the signature, but before long, I would reach over for my GS1000s and say “ahhhhh…. that is what I want to hear.” The D5000s went like that, but not the D7000s. The first day of listening I was just impressed how good they sounded right out of the box. The second day it began to dawn on me that these headphones could actually challenge my Grado’s top dog title. On the third day, it was clear that this was a complete knock-out. It was entirely unexpected. Three months or so on, the Denons are essentially the only headphones I listen to. The GS1000s will go to my office and the other potential ‘side-kicks’ are being prepped for sale. Yes, I can enjoy a little variety, but everything else I have just seems noticeably lacking and only stays on my head long enough for a quick check to see what the sound signature is like with this or that particular track.

I have listened to many headphones and many of them were very very good, even those with serious deal-breakers. But with the D7000s, I feel that I have reached some kind of headphone nirvana where everything is at peace and I can just focus on enjoying my favorite music and exploring new genres, artists, albums and tracks. If something new and better comes along, I am all for it. But, I am not desperately hunting for it any more.

I am sure they are not for everyone, but they are definitely for me!
post #48 of 522
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Originally Posted by Gu Sensei View Post
I suspect the price of the D7000s will settle a bit in the $600 range. Considering the going rate for high end phones, I think that price is quite a bargain.

I can also see that happening with the price (I was thinking around $650). At that price, it would be like stealing them in my opinion. As it stands now, I don't even think the MSRP is unreasonable considering how good these phones sound. But at $600ish... just... wow! And to think that when/if they settle in at $600ish new, then perhaps they will start showing up used in the for sale forum at an even further discounted pirce (maybe $500ish?).
post #49 of 522
Alright you guys sold me! I called etronics and they ARE in stock and NEW. So I finally placed an order for a pair of the vaunted and venerable D7000's! Yaaaay! I'll let you guys know how they compare on my system with the GS1000 and HD 650. I'm sure I will love them and like I said I really needed a pair of closed cans so I should be clackin now.
Thanks Taikero for the heads up! Thanks for the excellent reviews also fellas.
post #50 of 522
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Alright you guys sold me! I called etronics and they ARE in stock and NEW. So I finally placed an order for a pair of the vaunted and venerable D7000's! Yaaaay! I'll let you guys know how they compare on my system with the GS1000 and HD 650. I'm sure I will love them and like I said I really needed a pair of closed cans so I should be clackin now.
Thanks Taikero for the heads up! Thanks for the excellent reviews also fellas.
I ended up selling my HD650's shortly after receiving the d7000's
post #51 of 522
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Originally Posted by Fido2 View Post
Alright you guys sold me! I called etronics and they ARE in stock and NEW. So I finally placed an order for a pair of the vaunted and venerable D7000's! Yaaaay! I'll let you guys know how they compare on my system with the GS1000 and HD 650. I'm sure I will love them and like I said I really needed a pair of closed cans so I should be clackin now.
Thanks Taikero for the heads up! Thanks for the excellent reviews also fellas.
A mighty wise purchase indeed, sir! Enjoy! *insert D7000 smiley here*
post #52 of 522
The frame/assembly of the D5000/D7000 are 100% identical in every way. The pads are identical in every way. There is no reason why the D7000 would fit "better" than a D5000.
post #53 of 522
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The frame/assembly of the D5000/D7000 are 100% identical in every way. The pads are identical in every way. There is no reason why the D7000 would fit "better" than a D5000.
When I emailed Denon, they said that pads on the 5k's were pleather, and the 7k's are real leather but the size is identical.
post #54 of 522
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When I emailed Denon, they said that pads on the 5k's were pleather, and the 7k's are real leather but the size is identical.
Wow, that's interesting. I always just assumed that all the Denon pads (D2000, D5000 and D7000) were pleather. I currently own the D2000s and D7000s (just sold the D5000s). I will have to do a comparison to see if I can see or feel a difference between the D2000 and D7000 pads. I am no leather expert, so I'm not quite sure I know what to look for though.
post #55 of 522
I thought the same as well. The leather looks pretty damn similar to the rest of the models, so naturally I thought it was still pleather. If it's real leather all the better (just realized I had a nice little rhyme there )!
post #56 of 522
It took Denon about a week and a half to respond so who knows if thier esponse was accurate or just some newbee at Denon blowing me off with any old answer.
post #57 of 522
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I am no leather expert, so I'm not quite sure I know what to look for though.
A "moooooo" sound when you put 'em on.












Wait for it...









Bada-boom-tsssch!
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post #59 of 522
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Originally Posted by markl View Post
The frame/assembly of the D5000/D7000 are 100% identical in every way. The pads are identical in every way. There is no reason why the D7000 would fit "better" than a D5000.
Cables are not the same, D7000's cable is better. also Denon claims that D7000 use different driver material...
post #60 of 522
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^ Yes, the drivers are different, but markl wrote that the frame/assembly of the D5000/D7000 is identical.
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