Lisa III and XP Appreciation, Review and Pics Thread - Page 3

/\ To all the above. They have to be amongst the best portable rigs available?

Sorry about the poor PQ no funds for a better camera.. lol




I cant get enoughhhhh of it.. and to those thats thinking of skimping on the LLP.. DONT.. the thing is worth the money. it is as qusp mentioned, useful!

hmmm... to anyone who thinks they are seeing double, calmevil's dock is the same one I posted in my rig. I took that pic while it was passing through. the lisa is mine though. have just finished work on a few extra cables and a new format dock for me too, will post pics in the next day or 2

yep; thats the idea

El-Oh-El.. new format dock ey?? please post pics!! hahaha im still looking for headphones man... HD800 is just too hard to get... wonder if i should get a good phones now and just re-sell it back when the HD800 is out for int'l buyers....

LOL dont worry dude; nothing major, just slightly different internal wiring setup and new prototype cables. same basic setup though; your dock isnt obsolete hehe. playing around with some new wire I got my hands on; so doing a shoot-out between piccolino with modded silver bullets, hybrid jena cryo/cryo silver with copper bullets and a new wire that I dont know the name of that is stranded high purity silver coax plus shield with copper core. looks really sweet and sounds good from my initial tests with lisa,

the lisa III is revealing enough that the difference between wires is much easier to notice, plus i'm absolutely loving having RCA jacks to play with instead of mini. means I can use chunkier wires and much better connectors without fear of damage.


will post pics ASAP

RCA to RCA would be more robust solution instead of having mini to RCA from the V-caps? Any advantage in terms of sound quality?

After seeing this rig, I'm really getting excited

Here's a couple of beauties I just got an XP too and finished a Dock to go with it. its a 120gb DIYMOD with a dock containing 4.7uf OIMP VCAPS and 0.47uf teflon(TFTF) VCAP bypass caps and a full charging/syncing USB port. also made a female mini-1/4" convertor with a couple of resistors in it for use IEM's and with my denons until my wood-cups arrive and I can recable to 1/4"

and the back with the new wire i'm testing out


and here's the standard rig with OIMP VCAP dock and some other cables I built last night

and the family Photo


here's the cables



well actually after some testing today I would have to say definately yes; at least with the stellar Eichmann RCA sockets and connectors there is to my ears. today I noticed there was noticeably better decay; sections of music that are very complex and bass heavy don't overwhelm percussive detail. so on the trailing edge of heavy guitar chords there is more detail resolved in the high hats for example. this could be a result of the new wire combos i'm trailing, but I dont think so, because i'm pretty familiar with how jena performs and my RCA->mini is piccolino, a superior wire to both of these and the RCA on that are silver bullets not copper. I can only put it down to the much better mechanical connection that RCA gives when compared to mini. I will do more listening tests once I have finished the piccolino with silver bullet RCA cable

you've got PM

qusp......mate....my heart just skipped a beat! Amazing rigs those are!

RIDE

Thanks for the props mate
I most certainly am amazed; the lisa III (in both forms) is an incredible amp (apparently almost as good as a minibox E+ LOL); all my work is in aid of showing off what these babies can do. even if i've reached that summit; i'm more than satisfied with how they sound, the view is beautiful up there. only way I might get more out of it with an ipod based rig would maybe be if I used 2 large teflon caps (4.7uf) instead of just using them as a bypass for added sparkle and uber detail. but TFTF VCAPs in that rating are HUGE and massively expensive. its possible that it would end up sounding too sterile anyway, perhaps some audionote silver hehe both of those options would set me back about a grand just for the caps anyway, so screw that.

Wow ! Amazing setup and cable work qusp !

thanks man; I try

when my woodies show up it'll be just about perfect

I was in a unique and fortuituous position to be able to listen to both the standard LISA III and the LISA III XP thanks to my local supplier of poison, Uncle Wilson at Jaben Singapore.

While I was told that newer batches of standard and XP are identical, I was surprised that there was a discernable difference between the two with my gear. The LISA III XP seemed to have the bass boost more enhanced than on the Standard that I tried, even when it was completely dialed to minimum.

To be honest, I preferred the LISA III's sound to the XP based on those two samples. The XP was great when partnered with most of my gear (Westone3, Livewires etc), but the enhanced bass IMHO pushed the UE11Pro just a tad to the other end of balanced The Standard was a better match to the UE11s. I guess there's always the iQube to fall back on.

The problem is that there was only one of each: A black Standard and a silver finish XP, along with matching LLPs.

However, I needed the portability when I travelled and the LLP wasn't universal voltage out ot the box. So I chose the XP instead.

Except for the bass, both units were stellar. Great soundstage, great detail with just a hint of warmthness. I was very happy with the iQube when I first got it, but the problem was that it was very very revealing. With a lot of my CDs (original mind you!), the mastering just wasn't so great. With the iMod/Sonicaps/iQube combo, every single flaw was revealed and it made listening to some of my fave songs unbearable. Put me off listening for a while

Luckily the LISA came to the rescue. There's just the hint of the problematic parts but for the most part, everything comes across beautifully.

Current fave combo is the iMod/LISA III/Crystal Cable-Livewires. Bass is beautifully taut and punchy w/o the extra bass of the UE11Pros. The only time I pull out the UE11s now is when I listen to Daft Punk

ummm they are identical man, there is no difference between the XP and standard lisa except for the battery (and probably therefore the charge circuit). the boards are exactly the same I have both and BTW the LLP IS universal voltage. either you were getting bad information or there is something else strange going on. so unless the 2 amps you tested were from totally different batches of amps there was some serious mind games going on.

I guess each unit is hand finished and there might be some variations between the two.

To be sure, I even checked that the bass knob on the XP was working and yeap, it was working.

I do have a question though...

How long do you have to charge the XP for using the LLP?

I recall reading that you need 1 hour of charge per hour of use on the Standard. So about 15 hours or so for a full charge.

What about the XP? 80 hours playback capacity = 80 hours recharging time?

As for LLP voltage, I remember looking at the pics of the unit dismantled and there are 2 windings for 230V and there's some jumper to switch between one (115W) or two windings.

I took that to mean you have to switch jumpers to make them multi voltage. As I don't intend to travel with a toolbox, I figured I'd keep the voltage at 240V to prevent any accidents.