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post #466 of 914
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post

 

Congratulations on your V900, maybe this guy didn't heard the 8.35 yet. I didn't get attacked by the 7506, but I do want to try and compare the 8.35 to the 7520 in the studio. happy_face1.gif

I think all his phones were over 6 years old, so he probably didn't know about the GMP's.  For some reason GMP never got many U.S. dealers I guess. He bought all his phones from zzounds or Sweetwater, so he paid about as much for the 7509 as the GMP would have cost. I never heard much about the 7520. I'll have to look that one up one day. An engineer on one of the music production forums raved about his 7509(non-HD) so that's how I got interested in them.

post #467 of 914
I compared the 8.35D and the Sony Z1000 (which are supposed to be identical to the 7520) and I found that the GM's had more clarity than the Sonys in the midrange. Plus the Sonys had a upper midrange/lower treble dip. With the bass, I think they were almost even with maybe a bit more mid bass on the 8.35Ds.

With the lower treble dip, the Sonys were not fatiguing at all and no trace of sibilance. I could've listened to them all day without getting tired (they also had good PRAT) but I found that the German Maestros made vocals and instruments sound way more realistic (and had better pace) whilst the Sonys left me wanting more. These were compared on a Burson HA-160.

Has anyone compared the 8.35d with the Shure SRH940?
post #468 of 914
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Originally Posted by mancpg View Post

I compared the 8.35D and the Sony Z1000 (which are supposed to be identical to the 7520) and I found that the GM's had more clarity than the Sonys in the midrange. Plus the Sonys had a upper midrange/lower treble dip. With the bass, I think they were almost even with maybe a bit more mid bass on the 8.35Ds.
With the lower treble dip, the Sonys were not fatiguing at all and no trace of sibilance. I could've listened to them all day without getting tired (they also had good PRAT) but I found that the German Maestros made vocals and instruments sound way more realistic (and had better pace) whilst the Sonys left me wanting more. These were compared on a Burson HA-160.
Has anyone compared the 8.35d with the Shure SRH940?

That's good news! Means that gmp 8.35D is still a solid contender in the greatest closed headphone thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/625538/the-greatest-closed-headphone-thread

 

Also there has been made some comparisons here: http://www.hifiheadphones.co.uk/forum/headphone-reviews/1288-german-maestro-gmp-8-35d-headphone-review-dale.html

 

Dale says that the gmp 8.35D does not lack clarity and detail compared to the SRH940.

 

Now I have spent more time with the 8.35D sibilance seems to get a bit less, or i'm just not listening to sibilant music anymore. Also I have noticed these headphones scale up quite a bit with better sources.

 

Straight out of the iphone 3gs it sounds ok, out of the fiio e7 bass tightens up and more detail overall. But when hooked to the Fiio e7 and fiio e9 the bass gets even more tight, and clarity increaes big time. To the point it has at least as much clarity and detail as my mackie mr8 mk ii speakers.

post #469 of 914

Well, the Z1000 did have a better soundstage than the 8.35D (but not better imaging).  I'm hoping the people at German Maestro sort out a new pair of ear pads and foam covers for the 8.35D that keep the sound signature (or at least don't add any sibilance or shrill) but improve soundstage/imaging.

 

I compared the 8.35D with the AKG K550 and Beyerdynamic T70 as well.  The K550 my wife and I did not like at all -- we found the sound to be a little too fatiguing (like it added 3rd order harmonics or something) -- and the T70 we found to be a little too polite sounding and sounded just ok, even  with classical music.  I felt the 8.35D were better all-rounders and made instruments and vocals sound more real (with better PRAT to boot).

 

Yes, I found no lack of clarity with the 8.35D -- I love them (and they bring a lot of emotion to the music).  With the Burson HA-160 and the Rega DAC, they sound very full, with great mids, warm upper bass, good imaging and a tiny bit of softness in the treble (there's still some sparkle but not as much as, say, the Beyerdynamic DT770 or T70. The lack of sibilance and shrill though are very welcome). Sufjian Stevens's Illinoise album sounds gorgeous on this setup, I think.

 

-M

post #470 of 914
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Originally Posted by mancpg View Post

Well, the Z1000 did have a better soundstage than the 8.35D (but not better imaging).  I'm hoping the people at German Maestro sort out a new pair of ear pads and foam covers for the 8.35D that keep the sound signature (or at least don't add any sibilance or shrill) but improve soundstage/imaging.

 

I compared the 8.35D with the AKG K550 and Beyerdynamic T70 as well.  The K550 my wife and I did not like at all -- we found the sound to be a little too fatiguing (like it added 3rd order harmonics or something) -- and the T70 we found to be a little too polite sounding and sounded just ok, even  with classical music.  I felt the 8.35D were better all-rounders and made instruments and vocals sound more real (with better PRAT to boot).

 

Yes, I found no lack of clarity with the 8.35D -- I love them (and they bring a lot of emotion to the music).  With the Burson HA-160 and the Rega DAC, they sound very full, with great mids, warm upper bass, good imaging and a tiny bit of softness in the treble (there's still some sparkle but not as much as, say, the Beyerdynamic DT770 or T70. The lack of sibilance and shrill though are very welcome). Sufjian Stevens's Illinoise album sounds gorgeous on this setup, I think.

 

-M

So what kind of earpads are you using at the moment? With the oval earpads the soundstage is really excellent. Best I've heard from a closed headphone.

And about reducing sibilance with other pads other than the stock ones, I think it's impossible. Remember that the stock one blocks a great deal of the 'ear-chamber', I tried putting some materials under the earpads to improve the room. And it made it more sibilant, I tried a bunch of materials actually and they all made it more sibilant, and also increased soundstage. I think it just has to do with the room between the driver and the ears that increase or decrease the amount of sibilance. Maybe it induces some form of echoing of the sibilant tones.

 

So that's why I think you get that specific earpad as the stock.

post #471 of 914
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Originally Posted by mancpg View Post

Well, the Z1000 did have a better soundstage than the 8.35D (but not better imaging).  I'm hoping the people at German Maestro sort out a new pair of ear pads and foam covers for the 8.35D that keep the sound signature (or at least don't add any sibilance or shrill) but improve soundstage/imaging.

 

I compared the 8.35D with the AKG K550 and Beyerdynamic T70 as well.  The K550 my wife and I did not like at all -- we found the sound to be a little too fatiguing (like it added 3rd order harmonics or something) -- and the T70 we found to be a little too polite sounding and sounded just ok, even  with classical music.  I felt the 8.35D were better all-rounders and made instruments and vocals sound more real (with better PRAT to boot).

 

Yes, I found no lack of clarity with the 8.35D -- I love them (and they bring a lot of emotion to the music).  With the Burson HA-160 and the Rega DAC, they sound very full, with great mids, warm upper bass, good imaging and a tiny bit of softness in the treble (there's still some sparkle but not as much as, say, the Beyerdynamic DT770 or T70. The lack of sibilance and shrill though are very welcome). Sufjian Stevens's Illinoise album sounds gorgeous on this setup, I think.

 

-M

Btw, really interesting to hear that you and your wife like the gmp better than the k550 since everybody is raving about those.

Another point for the freaking gmp 8.35D!

post #472 of 914

Hi, I am just curious about how would the GMP 8.35d compare to a lower price range KNS 8400 in terms of music detail and clarity and also sound signature? I've heard alot about both headphones but have never heard of them face head to head.

 

Also, how does it compare to headphones from Ultrasone PRO series in terms of quality and clarity? I have heard little of ultrasones of similar price ranges as far as the GMP is.

I am thinking in a comparison for monitoring symphonies and classical music.


Edited by chime - 9/23/12 at 6:21pm
post #473 of 914
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Originally Posted by chime View Post

Hi, I am just curious about how would the GMP 8.35d compare to a lower price range KNS 8400 in terms of music detail and clarity and also sound signature? I've heard alot about both headphones but have never heard of them face head to head.

 

Also, how does it compare to headphones from Ultrasone PRO series in terms of quality and clarity? I have heard little of ultrasones of similar price ranges as far as the GMP is.

I am thinking in a comparison for monitoring symphonies and classical music.

 

Since I have the 8.35 I'm not in the run for more close hps, but I had some Ultrasones in the past... in general the Ultrasone sound signature is a bit metalic and not as balanced and natural as the 8.35.  For monitoring symphonies and classical music, I'll get the 8.35.

post #474 of 914

Ultrasones have the worst "house sound" I can think of for classical... Total electronica headphones

post #475 of 914

I had pro 550 and by worst I would say it's a sales pitch of a closed headphone that reduce radiation and have natural soundstage/signature, what a pile of ....

 

For my preferences, I would say that GMP is much preferable than Ultrasone Pro models in both classical and electronic ( at least in the same price range 150-250 euro, I have not heard more expensive Ultrasone models and doubt I ever will)


Edited by loopfreak - 9/24/12 at 4:06am
post #476 of 914

Hmm, then how does the KRK KNS 8400 compare to GMP 8.35d then in terms of clarity? I'm already leaning towards the GMP but just want some opinions to make a comparison because I can't ever seem to find a GMP in stores to compare with.

post #477 of 914
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Hmm, then how does the KRK KNS 8400 compare to GMP 8.35d then in terms of clarity? I'm already leaning towards the GMP but just want some opinions to make a comparison because I can't ever seem to find a GMP in stores to compare with.

Just by looking at the frequency responses of the krk kns 8400 I can tell you that the krk is less sibilant, but also less balanced in the mids and bass. Not saying that the gmp 8.35D is sibilant, at least not with the stock pads, but it can be a bit 'tizzy' with a hot recording. 

 

I use the gmp 8.35D with the hisoundaudio rocoo p, and this thing has a pretty aggresive and punchy sound and the gmp 8.35D can sound a bit sibilant paired with it.

post #478 of 914

The KRK's have this mid-bass bloom to them and a sharp treble at some area. It's very fast, but pronounced and not really in the sibilance area. The 8.35d's are better behaved throughout, but I ended up selling them before the KRK's for some reason. The KRK's had a fantastically resolving mid-range that kept me jamming with them. While the gmp's were more balanced, they didn't have that wow-factor which usually equals to a better phone to me, but in this case not more enjoyable, for whatever reason. 8400 had quite tuneful bass, but not very resolving. 

post #479 of 914
8400 also has a bigger soundstage to my ears. I just got the 8.35 D and I have to say I'm very impressed.
post #480 of 914
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8400 also has a bigger soundstage to my ears. I just got the 8.35 D and I have to say I'm very impressed.

Cool, tell me more! 

Pads?

First impressions?

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