I really need to try the 8.3000. But been on a PC binge buying the BOK/Mother MK2.. Snake oil. blah.. And spending money on my new hobby..Forearm/hand strength.. Weights can get expensive. Still need to tear a phone book in half..(half way serious)Or at least a deck of cards(totally serious).....Torn between two hobbies.. One hurts my wallet.. The other just burns my wrist to hell raiser type pain.