Phonak Audeo - Grey or Black Filters? - Page 4

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 

That is normal, the 112s come with grey and black filters while the 022s come with green filters.  I also prefer the black filters to the grey ones as they sound more natural to the ear.

 

well all depends on taste I think - grey ones reminded me of the denon C710's sound, and by that i mean sibilant & bright
 

The grey ones give the IEMs more of an analytical sound to them while the black ones give the IEMs that bass boost they can use from the grey filters...  There is a loss if midrange, but things balance out a little better to my ears.

I'm a gray filter person. I don't find them bright but do think they can be a bit revealing of source. The better the source, the better the gray filter. Decay and ambience die to quckly with the others filters by comparison though still fine for the price reange where the gray filter has res to compete well above it's range.

Here are some actual uncompensated measurements that clearly show the highs are reduced along with the mids on black and green filters. The mids do reduce a bit more so the balance seems slightly more U shaped but it's really about the added warmth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinyman392 

The grey ones give the IEMs more of an analytical sound to them while the black ones give the IEMs that bass boost they can use from the grey filters...  There is a loss if midrange, but things balance out a little better to my ears.

yes indeed, although I found the grey ones a little too bright for my liking

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Originally Posted by goodvibes 

I'm a gray filter person. I don't find them bright but do think they can be a bit revealing of source. The better the source, the better the gray filter. Decay and ambience die to quckly with the others filters by comparison though still fine for the price reange where the gray filter has res to compete well above it's range.

Well my source is the SGS i9000, better than your iphone 4/4s and most heandheld audio sources.

I don't have a proper amp that said, but still - even through my girlfriend's laptop, the grey were still bright.

LOL. I use top Naim kit for home stuff and have 24/96 dubs of masters where I was at the recording. Computers are not what I consider a good source. They sound great on my Rocoo with gray filters.I don't disagree that the balance is as good with the blacks but I don't find it a good trade off overall. They just lose too much subtlety and soul. There's so much more to music than tonal balance and the gray filters are about as close as the blacks overall, just slightly tilted the other way. The blacks a are little too thick and the gray a bit too forward. Maybe dirty grays are the way to go, LOL. This is all just my opinion and mileage will vary by use, need and desire.

I don't have an Iphone 4s and don't use a phone for tunes but talk to INKS about it, he's had a lot of stuff and quite likes it. I think your Samsung has an 8 ohm output impedance while the 4s is 1 so results may vary by IEM. Haven't heard the i9000 so can't comment on performance. You may find this interesting. http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s_vs_apple_iphone_4-review-500p6.php Doesn't tell the entire story either but does favor the Iphone 4 and INKs says the 4S is clearly better.

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Originally Posted by goodvibes 

LOL. I use top Naim kit for home stuff and have 24/96 dubs of masters where I was at the recording. Computers are not what I consider a good source. They sound great on my Rocoo with gray filters.I don't disagree that the balance is as good with the blacks but I don't find it a good trade off overall. They just lose too much subtlety and soul. There's so much more to music than tonal balance and the gray filters are about as close as the blacks overall, just slightly tilted the other way. The blacks a are little too thick and the gray a bit too forward. Maybe dirty grays are the way to go, LOL. This is all just my opinion and mileage will vary by use, need and desire.

 

I don't have an Iphone 4s and don't use a phone for tunes but talk to INKS about it, he's had a lot of stuff and quite likes it. I think your Samsung has an 8 ohm output impedance while the 4s is 1 so results may vary by IEM. Haven't heard the i9000 so can't comment on performance. You may find this interesting. http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s_vs_apple_iphone_4-review-500p6.php Doesn't tell the entire story either but does favor the Iphone 4 and INKs says the 4S is clearly better.

Who ever wrote, that article:
"The Galaxy S audio quality is great but not iPhone 4-perfect

Is an idiot LOL

With that type of quote I stopped reading immediately.

Not saying my SGS is the best source, but its one of the best for portability - especially with apps like this for android

And back on topic:

Black filters don't lose anything special IMO, its just less bright and forward as the greys.

Agreed about dirty greys :P