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Originally Posted by Totally Dubbed View Post

If bass isn't something your looking for, the PFE's are an immediate win/choice

This needs a little tweaking. It's more like, "if basshead level bass isn't what your looking for, these are a good choice"
 

 

post #2477 of 2877
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Originally Posted by ak47-whaaa View Post

This needs a little tweaking. It's more like, "if basshead level bass isn't what your looking for, these are a good choice"
 

 

TFTA 1XB = mental bass

TFTA 1V, denon C751/710,  mtpg, xb700/xb500, monster turbine = bass heavy
EX500, metro fi 220, denon d2000, ie8/7 = normal bass

W2 = med/light

superfi 4, PFE 112, se535's = light

 

Long story short: Nop. Not to my ears at least.

post #2478 of 2877
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Originally Posted by Totally Dubbed View Post

 

TFTA 1XB = mental bass

TFTA 1V, denon C751/710,  mtpg, xb700/xb500, monster turbine = bass heavy
EX500, metro fi 220, denon d2000, ie8/7 = normal bass

W2 = med/light

superfi 4, PFE 112, se535's = light

 

Long story short: Nop. Not to my ears at least.


Everyone has their different tastes, but Denon D2000 and Senn IE8 as normal bass? You're definition of normal is probably different than the majority on this site. Those are far from neutral at the very least.

 

post #2479 of 2877
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Originally Posted by ocswing View Post


Everyone has their different tastes, but Denon D2000 and Senn IE8 as normal bass? You're definition of normal is probably different than the majority on this site. Those are far from neutral at the very least.

 


X2 i find the IE8's quite an amount above normal especially if you use the knob

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The PFE's bass level is sufficient, maybe i'll add a bit more but even then I don't think i'll sacrifice that midrange clarity. IE8, FX700, DDM, etc. have basshead levels of bass and compromise too much info in the midrange because of it imo. Many here like coloration, give or take. 

post #2481 of 2877
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Originally Posted by ajmiarka View Post



Ordered a pair of the 132's with mic and volume adjustment.  I remember the original having the Phonaks and not really liking either the grey or black filters for sound.   Neither provided the "thump" I was looking for.  

 

Took a chance again with Phonak with the 132's, but now I have my EQ set to rock on my iPhone.   My tastes must have changed over the years, because they sound amazing with the black filters.   Also, the comfort can't be beat.  I tried the SE215s, but the cable was really irritating.   To me, the 132's provide the perfect balance of clarity and enough bass impact.   Really happy with my purchase.   


 

well actually the 132 did sound different than the normal 112/122 after i A-B them... the 132's are also more demanding of the amp than the 122,, when i pair it with good amp that has good bass i wont consider the 132 bass light anymore...  

 

 

post #2482 of 2877
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Originally Posted by ocswing View Post


Everyone has their different tastes, but Denon D2000 and Senn IE8 as normal bass? You're definition of normal is probably different than the majority on this site. Those are far from neutral at the very least.

 


 

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Originally Posted by ak47-whaaa View Post


X2 i find the IE8's quite an amount above normal especially if you use the knob


yeah sorry forgot about the hype the sennheisers have here...

 

My D2K's are certainly not bass heavy. They have bass, don't get me wrong but they are certainly not the type of bass u get from the XB700's, which are much more bassier, especially in quantity.

Do either of u even own both?

(XB700's and D2K's)

 

 

Please see before replying ;)

 

graphCompare (1).png

 

 

Pretty much exactly what I felt/heard.

Although the IE8's soundstage felt like it washed out the lows - thus why I don't find it that bass heavy.

 

 

post #2483 of 2877
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Originally Posted by santsant View Post


 

well actually the 132 did sound different than the normal 112/122 after i A-B them... the 132's are also more demanding of the amp than the 122,, when i pair it with good amp that has good bass i wont consider the 132 bass light anymore...  

 

 


 

I thought the only difference between the 112/132 was the mic have 3 buttons?

Drivers should be identical - possibly the mic is acting up as a resistor of some sorts?

 

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Originally Posted by Totally Dubbed View Post


 


yeah sorry forgot about the hype the sennheisers have here...

 

My D2K's are certainly not bass heavy. They have bass, don't get me wrong but they are certainly not the type of bass u get from the XB700's, which are much more bassier, especially in quantity.

Do either of u even own both?

(XB700's and D2K's)

 

 

Please see before replying ;)

 

graphCompare (1).png

 

 

Pretty much exactly what I felt/heard.

Although the IE8's soundstage felt like it washed out the lows - thus why I don't find it that bass heavy.

 

 




I should point out that bass is hard to measure on IEM's as it is highly dependent on seal and that is different from person to person and I still don't exactly understand how the IE8's bass hump = normal bass.

post #2485 of 2877
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Originally Posted by ak47-whaaa View Post

I should point out that bass is hard to measure on IEM's as it is highly dependent on seal and that is different from person to person and I still don't exactly understand how the IE8's bass hump = normal bass.


You do realise these tests are done to test the earphones?

Its nothing to do with the seal, or how it would change the SQ.

 

Its like saying:
Why not put a bass boost on, on your E5 then make a FR graph of it...

 

Common Alex...

 

As I said, look at the graphs, I normally don't judge by FR graph, and i don't suggest to do so either.

I just felt that's the easiest, yet "official" way of telling you what I hear/feel.

 

The TFTA 1V's would be slightly higher than the XB700's, and the 1XB's would be MUCH higher.

 

 

I also never stated that the PFE's are bad or anything, i'm just putting it out there, of how i find the PFE's to be bass light. Even ask the guy I sold my PFE's to, his probably going to sell them on, as they have too little bass for him.

 

I'm not the only one to think that the PFE have little to no bass

 

Btw mate, did you ever get those IE80's in the end ?


Edited by Totally Dubbed - 2/13/12 at 4:54am
post #2486 of 2877
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Originally Posted by Totally Dubbed View Post



You do realise these tests are done to test the earphones?
Its nothing to do with the seal, or how it would change the SQ.

Its like saying:

Why not put a bass boost on, on your E5 then make a FR graph of it...

Common Alex...

As I said, look at the graphs, I normally don't judge by FR graph, and i don't suggest to do so either.
I just felt that's the easiest, yet "official" way of telling you what I hear/feel.

The TFTA 1V's would be slightly higher than the XB700's, and the 1XB's would be MUCH higher.


I also never stated that the PFE's are bad or anything, i'm just putting it out there, of how i find the PFE's to be bass light. Even ask the guy I sold my PFE's to, his probably going to sell them on, as they have too little bass for him.

I'm not the only one to think that the PFE have little to no bass

Btw mate, did you ever get those IE80's in the end ?

I'm not crazy about the level of bass I get (for metal, the level of impact is pretty unsatisfying.I can't say I like it for beethoven or late mozart piano concertos, where the lower ends of the piano or the drums sound rather disappointing and not full enough by any stretch), so I'm selling my pair lol. Your pair...Etc. http://www.head-fi.org/t/595681/fs-phonak-pfe112-black-sydney-aus-wwide

I also think 'perfect fit' is a gross exaggeration. Though they fit and stay in ears with comply t100 and after you attach the silicon holders (fit will obviously vary from person to person)


That said, plenty of people rave about the bass being great and enough for classical and it's not the first time I see it. It's also not the first time I see shallow bass described as tight and analytical and I'm not a fan of that idea (think SR-507 or UM mage/miracle or whatever else that has deep bass, a mids hump and extended highs and doesn't compromise much on any part or let it mask the rest of the spectrum).

I'm not sure what's going on there, but http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AudeoPFE121BlackFilter.pdf vs http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ShureSE425.pdf seem to suggest that PFE should have deeper and more even bass, while I don't think it goes nearly as deep or has as much impact as SE425 despite similar fit (425 fit a bit deeper) (maybe I'm just plebbing out and thinking the relatively more pronounced 100hz mark in shure = better biggrin.gif )
Edited by svyr - 2/13/12 at 5:17am
post #2487 of 2877
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I'm not crazy about the level of bass I get (for metal, the level of impact is pretty unsatisfying), so I'm selling my pair lol. Your pair...Etc. http://www.head-fi.org/t/595681/fs-phonak-pfe112-black-sydney-aus-wwide


Lol :)

I'll give you a shout on your FS thread :D

 

 

post #2488 of 2877
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Originally Posted by svyr View Post

seem to suggest that PFE should have deeper and more even bass, while I don't think it goes nearly as deep or has as much impact as SE425 despite similar fit (425 fit a bit deeper) (maybe I'm just plebbing out and thinking the relatively more pronounced 100hz mark in shure = better biggrin.gif )


 

I would the shures to be bass light too, but agreed, they were punchier. that said those were the se535's

post #2489 of 2877
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Originally Posted by Totally Dubbed View Post


 

I thought the only difference between the 112/132 was the mic have 3 buttons?

Drivers should be identical - possibly the mic is acting up as a resistor of some sorts?

 



i dont think that a resistor can gives that much of different in sound.. maybe they use newer driver or retuned the driver specifically for the 132... well you have to listen to believe.. smile.gif

post #2490 of 2877
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Originally Posted by santsant View Post



i dont think that a resistor can gives that much of different in sound.. maybe they use newer driver or retuned the driver specifically for the 132... well you have to listen to believe.. smile.gif


I was referring to: "132's are also more demanding of the amp than the 122"

 

Thus why I thought, maybe the inclusion of a mic made them less easy to drive :)

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