Phonak Audeo (PFE) Appreciation Thread - Page 166

This needs a little tweaking. It's more like, "if basshead level bass isn't what your looking for, these are a good choice"
 

 

 

TFTA 1XB = mental bass

TFTA 1V, denon C751/710,  mtpg, xb700/xb500, monster turbine = bass heavy
EX500, metro fi 220, denon d2000, ie8/7 = normal bass

W2 = med/light

superfi 4, PFE 112, se535's = light

 

Long story short: Nop. Not to my ears at least.

Everyone has their different tastes, but Denon D2000 and Senn IE8 as normal bass? You're definition of normal is probably different than the majority on this site. Those are far from neutral at the very least.

 

X2 i find the IE8's quite an amount above normal especially if you use the knob

The PFE's bass level is sufficient, maybe i'll add a bit more but even then I don't think i'll sacrifice that midrange clarity. IE8, FX700, DDM, etc. have basshead levels of bass and compromise too much info in the midrange because of it imo. Many here like coloration, give or take. 

 

well actually the 132 did sound different than the normal 112/122 after i A-B them... the 132's are also more demanding of the amp than the 122,, when i pair it with good amp that has good bass i wont consider the 132 bass light anymore...  

 

 

 

yeah sorry forgot about the hype the sennheisers have here...

 

My D2K's are certainly not bass heavy. They have bass, don't get me wrong but they are certainly not the type of bass u get from the XB700's, which are much more bassier, especially in quantity.

Do either of u even own both?

(XB700's and D2K's)

 

 

Please see before replying ;)

 

 

 

Pretty much exactly what I felt/heard.

Although the IE8's soundstage felt like it washed out the lows - thus why I don't find it that bass heavy.

 

 

 

I thought the only difference between the 112/132 was the mic have 3 buttons?

Drivers should be identical - possibly the mic is acting up as a resistor of some sorts?

 

I should point out that bass is hard to measure on IEM's as it is highly dependent on seal and that is different from person to person and I still don't exactly understand how the IE8's bass hump = normal bass.

You do realise these tests are done to test the earphones?

Its nothing to do with the seal, or how it would change the SQ.

 

Its like saying:
Why not put a bass boost on, on your E5 then make a FR graph of it...

 

Common Alex...

 

As I said, look at the graphs, I normally don't judge by FR graph, and i don't suggest to do so either.

I just felt that's the easiest, yet "official" way of telling you what I hear/feel.

 

The TFTA 1V's would be slightly higher than the XB700's, and the 1XB's would be MUCH higher.

 

 

I also never stated that the PFE's are bad or anything, i'm just putting it out there, of how i find the PFE's to be bass light. Even ask the guy I sold my PFE's to, his probably going to sell them on, as they have too little bass for him.

 

I'm not the only one to think that the PFE have little to no bass

 

Btw mate, did you ever get those IE80's in the end ?

Edited by Totally Dubbed - 2/13/12 at 4:54am

I'm not crazy about the level of bass I get (for metal, the level of impact is pretty unsatisfying.I can't say I like it for beethoven or late mozart piano concertos, where the lower ends of the piano or the drums sound rather disappointing and not full enough by any stretch), so I'm selling my pair lol. Your pair...Etc. http://www.head-fi.org/t/595681/fs-phonak-pfe112-black-sydney-aus-wwide

I also think 'perfect fit' is a gross exaggeration. Though they fit and stay in ears with comply t100 and after you attach the silicon holders (fit will obviously vary from person to person)


That said, plenty of people rave about the bass being great and enough for classical and it's not the first time I see it. It's also not the first time I see shallow bass described as tight and analytical and I'm not a fan of that idea (think SR-507 or UM mage/miracle or whatever else that has deep bass, a mids hump and extended highs and doesn't compromise much on any part or let it mask the rest of the spectrum).

I'm not sure what's going on there, but http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AudeoPFE121BlackFilter.pdf vs http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ShureSE425.pdf seem to suggest that PFE should have deeper and more even bass, while I don't think it goes nearly as deep or has as much impact as SE425 despite similar fit (425 fit a bit deeper) (maybe I'm just plebbing out and thinking the relatively more pronounced 100hz mark in shure = better )
Edited by svyr - 2/13/12 at 5:17am

Lol :)

I'll give you a shout on your FS thread :D

 

 

 

I would the shures to be bass light too, but agreed, they were punchier. that said those were the se535's

i dont think that a resistor can gives that much of different in sound.. maybe they use newer driver or retuned the driver specifically for the 132... well you have to listen to believe.. 

I was referring to: "132's are also more demanding of the amp than the 122"

 

Thus why I thought, maybe the inclusion of a mic made them less easy to drive :)