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post #226 of 437
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Silver plated Copper and Solid Copper

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These are not the same as the last two so comparisons are invalid


Xtr.wav - DivShare

Ytr.wav - DivShare
post #227 of 437
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Originally Posted by royalcrown View Post
No prob! Glad to help in whatever ways I can. The only cable I could send you is a 3.5mm DIY one that I made just for the exercise/experience in soldering and construction - I highly doubt it'd be useful for testing, but on the off chance it is I'd be willing to send it to you.
Thanks for the offer but I am only testing RCA - RCA cables , actually I am pretty much finished apart from some burn-in tests which I may or may not do later.
post #228 of 437
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(Stranded) Silver Cables for sale

I am done with my testing and flogging off the silver cables...

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f44/an...8/#post5561668
post #230 of 437
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post
I also don't see spending money on cables as a wise thing to do if other parts of your system need updating. In another thread some guy was evaluating cables with a sound card in his computer. Not very smart. If there are people here who fit into that group of people who purchased equipment in the wrong order then obviously you have put yourself in a situation where you have eliminated some or all of your chances for getting positive results. This is very common for people to spend 100 bucks on a LOD when they could have bought a LD amplifier. That is just an example but you get the meaning. One misconception I ran across in the cable thread was a fellow named Bullseye who was under the impression that people were claiming cables added some sort of sound quality or coloring instead of merely allowing these sonic qualities to pass from your source to your amp. One thing I noticed while building my system is that quick change comparisons reveal nothing as you need to become extremely familiar with your listening material before changing "ONE" piece of equipment to be in a situation to hear a difference. If someone says to me that they listened to their favorite music for 3 months with their system unchanged before they add a tube or cable then I will go out of my way to lend credibility to that persons findings. If someone says I got 2 sets of IC's together and swapped them out repeatedly in one afternoon then I have no interest in his findings as the best you could possibly hope for is being able to find a change at all, but finding the differences and being able to accurately express them? No way. Comments like these I make a point of ignoring, and for this reason I ignore anyone who mentions this type of testing. I believe Nick should have everything he needs to find a difference since he is comparing Silver to Copper. If he doesn't find a difference then I don't have any answers for you aside from there will never be a definitive answer to all this and the best thing for me personally is to use the methodology as described above to evaluated what goes into my system. Too many different people and too many different variables to really nail down a definite answer.
I agree with this entirely.
post #231 of 437
The post you quoted tells me that cables are well past the point of diminishing returns for me.
post #232 of 437
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I find it odd that I have had no takers

On the posted samples. All samples have been downloaded multiple times yet nobody has reported back, do I take it that nobody could reliably tell the samples apart ?
post #233 of 437
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On the posted samples. All samples have been downloaded multiple times yet nobody has reported back, do I take it that nobody could reliably tell the samples apart ?
I accept your challenge!...



I couldn't hear a difference
post #234 of 437
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Originally Posted by olblueyez View Post


..... One thing I noticed while building my system is that quick change comparisons reveal nothing as you need to become extremely familiar with your listening material before changing "ONE" piece of equipment to be in a situation to hear a difference. If someone says to me that they listened to their favorite music for 3 months with their system unchanged before they add a tube or cable then I will go out of my way to lend credibility to that persons findings. If someone says I got 2 sets of IC's together and swapped them out repeatedly in one afternoon then I have no interest in his findings as the best you could possibly hope for is being able to find a change at all, but finding the differences and being able to accurately express them? No way. Comments like these I make a point of ignoring, and for this reason I ignore anyone who mentions this type of testing....
IMHO, It's just plain silly to say that.

Small differences can be identified from quick A-B comparisons as well as "it sounds the same."

We did this the last NY meet and it has been done by practically everyone here at one time or another after getting a new component.

You might not pick up some nuances but for the most part, it is fairly easy to hear differences with A-B compressions.



USG
post #235 of 437
I managed to correctly identify between tracks X and Y 3 times over about 15 minutes. Anyone else give it a go? I'm using a homemade amp and Sony MDR-SA5000s with the stock cable. I won't say what I thought I heard, as that would ruin it for people who want to try this for themselves.
-Chris
post #236 of 437
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I managed to correctly identify between tracks X and Y 3 times over about 15 minutes. Anyone else give it a go? I'm using a homemade amp and Sony MDR-SA5000s with the stock cable. I won't say what I thought I heard, as that would ruin it for people who want to try this for themselves.
-Chris
Interesting and impressive, how many attempts or was it 3 attempts in 15 minutes ? 3/3 really is not significant , which set was it (Xtr and Ytr ?)
post #237 of 437
For clarification, I went 3 for 3 over about 15 minutes, as far as blind-testing myself went. I had to give myself enough time in between so I could "forget" what I heard. I did some informal listening first, but yes, they are VERY similar. I agree that 3/3 isn't very significant, but I'll try again later. I basically stopped because I couldn't take the clanging anymore And yes, it was Xtr and Ytr. For some reason the A1 recording is predominantly in the left channel and B1 is about even, so I can't compare the two... is it supposed to be like this?
post #238 of 437
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For clarification, I went 3 for 3 over about 15 minutes, as far as blind-testing myself went. I had to give myself enough time in between so I could "forget" what I heard. I did some informal listening first, but yes, they are VERY similar. I agree that 3/3 isn't very significant, but I'll try again later. I basically stopped because I couldn't take the clanging anymore And yes, it was Xtr and Ytr. For some reason the A1 recording is predominantly in the left channel and B1 is about even, so I can't compare the two... is it supposed to be like this?
Ah, there is a problem with A1 and B1 one channel has become massively attenuated - I will remove it and replace it...

I am not sure I understand your blind test protocol ?
post #239 of 437
OK, I'll download the new A1 / B1 when it's available.

Sorry for not better explaining myself earlier--I was distracted by Tiger Woods winning at Bay Hill!

What I did was put both Xtr and Ytr in a little playlist in Winamp (one copy of each) and just hit repeat. So, it played Xtr, Ytr, Xtr, Ytr...

To blind test myself, I turned my back to my computer, and let Winamp run for a while so I would have no idea which sound clip was playing when I picked up the headphones. Then I just put them on, listened for a bit until I made a choice, and checked which file was playing.

In fact, I just tried again a couple more times, and I still guessed correctly. PM me if you want to know what I heard...
By the way, my equipment is laptop-> valab DAC -> home-made amp -> Sony MDR-SA5000.
post #240 of 437
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
IMHO, It's just plain silly to say that.

Small differences can be identified from quick A-B comparisons as well as "it sounds the same."

We did this the last NY meet and it has been done by practically everyone here at one time or another after getting a new component.

You might not pick up some nuances but for the most part, it is fairly easy to hear differences with A-B compressions.



USG
The only thing that is silly is to have your cavalier attitude towards your equipment, you don't really think I care if you make hasty decision's with your equipment do you?
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