Cowon S9 or Apple I-Pod Touch G2 - Page 3

So your oppinion is that the S9 sounds significantly better than the Touch?

Are you using lossless files on both, and with what headphones?

I used LAME ripped mp3's at 320kps Super fi.5 Pro, believe me regardless of the source the touch is not and was never meant to be a high quality playback device; it's a mass marketed (massive appeal) gadget. I wish Apple would just make a limited edition Audiophile iPod for those of us you want the best of both worlds.

Have you had a chance to compare your new S9 to the H340 listed in your sig (provided you still own one)?

I had a H320 back in the day, and it's become one of my benchmarks for DAP sound.

I disagree, but these things are matters of opinion. I owned the Rio Karma (considered one of the "benchmarks") for a long time, and was unable to find anything for several years that was of comparable quality, including the previous generations of ipods. I feel that lossless files on the touch 2g are indeed "audiophile grade" with a decent set of phones. With a portable amp, it's even better. As they say, though, YMMV.

It's a toss up really, but if I had to pick a winner I'd give it to the S9 or as I am more accustom to the iAudio A7, these are with settings on normal, even though on the 300 series the tone controls cannot be totally defeated (turned off).

We agree to disagree.

Now I want my S9 even more :P

Damn wait. I likely won't have it till mid next week. Le sigh.

Is that the touch 2g? And are you using BBE effects? Because with my shure e530 the s9 without the bbe effects sounded pretty average, with a narrow sound stage and less bass quality than my touch 2g. Also the s9 amp distorted when you pushed it, and it had less sparkle on the high end than my touch and zune. With bbe effects the sound gets better though, especially bbe viva and bbe headphone

I actually thought the s9 "base" sq was a step below my faves- touch 2g, zune, clip. I was more impressed with the beautiful screen of course YMMV.

the hideous part is that it is an ipod. that is all the hideous anyone should need.

just checked the S9 ....

no H264 support ? thats a real drop-off surely ? IE most Video podcasts would not play etc ?

Which one of the players have better SQ? in terms of details, natural, neutral and etc. ???

cause i have heard that the cowon player are much better, just way off the apple's players.
is it true? or that the things have changed with the new 2nd Generation iTouch????

can someone one tell me about comparision which he did between both with lossless files? [not these MP3 files...] is it realy an "Audiophile Grade" music player [the iTouch 2nd Gen]???

BBE effects didn't effect hiss, just the eq. I think the mach bass did a little if turned up really high.

so which player provide/produce more details, tonality, imaging and neutrality?? [without EQ]

it is up to you. some people find that music without bass resolution only thump is neutral. others think etchy treble is neutral sounding. it is up to you. some people find the cowon to have a good stage and others think it rubbish (me included) and vica versa with the ipod - you will not get straight answers, only very loud shouting voices.

the fact are that the ipod touch is according to machine testing one of the best reproducers of test scenarios in the industry. what you do with that information is up to you. personally, i started in cowon and meizu and hate ipod camp and then heard the original touch and sold my cowon very soon afterward as it was only better in two areas (less hiss and when pushed to very high volumes, less distortion) - however, the hiss was nearly moot as i used the touch and cowon with impedence cable (sorry, cowon d2) which made the hiss inaudible and never with iems listened to volumes over about 1/5.

i won't even try to support the touch anymore as no matter what is said, no matter if the best studio in the world took it to heart that the ipod was the best sounding device, on these forums that harbour many apple haters, it would always be rubbish.