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post #46 of 64
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
So true!
Its bound to come one day, but who knows when...
I thing two major changes need to come before that happens.

1) Broadband penetration has to really take off or even get an upgrade. Lossless files are so much larger than regular ones, so the speed thing has to be in place. Otherwise, the hoi polloi won't adopt something that isn't as "one click" fast as iTunes currently is. After all, who wants to wait 2 hours for an album transfer on iTunes when you can get one for 5 minutes on iTunes currently?

2) iPods and other music players are going to have to be upgraded to actually take advantage of lossless files and headphone technology is going to have to become cheaper and more accessible (and not such a niche market). Why go further than 256K m4a if you are using $15 Target headphones on an iPod shuffle? That is just a waste of space!
post #47 of 64
broadband penetration????? does anyone anywhere (that has electricity) use a conection that not at least a few hundred k, i.e. at least mobile data speeds
post #48 of 64
90% of the people in my town don't have access to high speed internet, and I'm not far off the beaten path. Then factor in things like comcast connection throttling, and you quickly see how 300mb cds vs 45mb cds could make a difference.

Also, switching to all ALAC would take apple's bandwidth usage up an order of magnitude.
post #49 of 64
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Originally Posted by Tryptonique View Post
I thing two major changes need to come before that happens.

1) Broadband penetration has to really take off or even get an upgrade. Lossless files are so much larger than regular ones, so the speed thing has to be in place. Otherwise, the hoi polloi won't adopt something that isn't as "one click" fast as iTunes currently is. After all, who wants to wait 2 hours for an album transfer on iTunes when you can get one for 5 minutes on iTunes currently?

2) iPods and other music players are going to have to be upgraded to actually take advantage of lossless files and headphone technology is going to have to become cheaper and more accessible (and not such a niche market). Why go further than 256K m4a if you are using $15 Target headphones on an iPod shuffle? That is just a waste of space!
In a perfect world, we would all be Headfiers wearing 3-driver IEMs and listening to flac. In reality, I see people walking around all day with earbuds and seemingly very happy. I'm sad for them, but that's life. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

Oh yeah, I'm a 16-year Mac user. Number of albums bought from iTunes: Zero. I got three free songs from a bottle cap once and knew right away the quality sucked. I also can't stand Apple's pesky "integration" with their music store and itunes. Gimme a break guys.
post #50 of 64
Why would you feel sad for people who are happy?
post #51 of 64
Tryptonique. I think broadband is quite common among those who consider buying from iTunes Store, but may be wrong. But I don't see why Apple can't keep the current 256kbps AAC's, and add Apple Lossless for those of us having bandwidth to spare.

I "just" have a 4Mbit connection at home, but can always download at work (see picture).
post #52 of 64
hmm, i rather thought my 8mbit was rather slower than what most people i know have, but where i live im right at the cross over point from different phone exchanges so im about as far from an exchange as its possible to be in this city.

pisses me off becasue my parents are only on an adsl1 connection in a small village near stirling, their garden backs onto a forest, yet they get a steady 8mbit
post #53 of 64
I am always amused by the pretension (often earnestly expressed here) that a massive company like Apple is going to make a decision based on the opinions of the insignificantly small portion of the public that cares about sound quality. I know it sucks to be told that you don't matter, but guess what head-fi'ers, given the size of Apple's world-wide target market, you don't matter.
post #54 of 64
The music industry has to invent a way for us to buy all our music again, I can only hope that high definition digital releases (not red book rates) is their answer.

Oh, and the post above me is spot on
post #55 of 64
terriblepaulz. I am sure you are right. That a small group of Head-Fi'ers will not be heard at Apple, when asking for Apple Lossless files in iTunes Store.

But it don't hurt nagging them about it anyway.
post #56 of 64
It's probably true that we don't matter, but I don't think that makes Apple's selling high quality files (ALAC, even) any less inevitable. It's a great marketing point: Look at us, we're selling high quality sound files! It's like digital cameras and megapixels. 320 kbps is just more impressive sounding than 128 kbps. LOSSLESS sounds more impressive still. And if Apple doesn't do it, someone else will. And so it goes.
post #57 of 64
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Originally Posted by terriblepaulz View Post
I am always amused by the pretension (often earnestly expressed here) that a massive company like Apple is going to make a decision based on the opinions of the insignificantly small portion of the public that cares about sound quality. I know it sucks to be told that you don't matter, but guess what head-fi'ers, given the size of Apple's world-wide target market, you don't matter.
Truth.
post #58 of 64
Every company makes decisions based on influencing decisionmakers and influential people. They don't try and please everyone, but if they notice that a specific group drives trends, they will try and please them. We have a LOT of influence on headphone manufacturers, for example. The HD800 is about getting senn to be recognized as the best again. Then, when someone goes to buy a $50 headphone, they see that the person with the great setup has sennheiser, and looks for the one that fits their price. So I'm sure apple pays attention. It's just a matter of whether it makes sense, and whether the labels will allow it.
post #59 of 64
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Originally Posted by grawk View Post
Every company makes decisions based on influencing decisionmakers and influential people. They don't try and please everyone, but if they notice that a specific group drives trends, they will try and please them. We have a LOT of influence on headphone manufacturers, for example. The HD800 is about getting senn to be recognized as the best again. Then, when someone goes to buy a $50 headphone, they see that the person with the great setup has sennheiser, and looks for the one that fits their price. So I'm sure apple pays attention. It's just a matter of whether it makes sense, and whether the labels will allow it.
Apple and Sennheiser are like apples and .... sorry, couldn't resist. I think your spot on with the HD800. I don't think Senn views it as a big profit opportunity, but rather as a statement product that sells the brand. But Senn is a small (relative to Apple) player serving a niche market.

Not to get too deep here, but Apple, and a lot of the big players in the consumer electronics industry as a whole (how's that for a sweeping generalization) have simply de-valued, as a sellable product (and by extension as a cultural signifier of wealth, sophistication, good taste etc.), audiophile-type listening to recorded music. When I was a kid (mid 70s) it was o.k. to own a stereo with giant speakers, even if you were out of college. Today the connotations are much different.
post #60 of 64
I think one of the problems with offering lossless in the past was the DRM. Now that they are going to remove it from their whole catalog, they might be able to open a lossless music section, the way they offered the plus section in the past. Offer all tracks at $1.29 a track. This way the record companies can get a little extra. I believe the companies already submit their music as lossless to Apple. This not much different than how they offer HD tv shows now.

I don't think lossless is needed for the iPod but as more people start using iTunes for their home stereo, especial now that you can use the iPhone as a remote and can stream to airport express or apple tv, lossless is important. And if some other company offers alac, I'll just buy from them.
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