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someone know the HD800 have the same connector of HD650 ? I guess not to avoid us to test our existing replacement cable on the HD800. ;-(

SAA Voice seem interesting but we see the "trick" miles around ... the same price of the headphone ... they take the boat and they know peaple will buy that for sure.

But other compagnies will have room to make theirs own version at better price.

I hope the stock cable is good quality and "better cable" will be more "different" than "hand down better in every way".
The connector is different. The stock HD800 cable is fantastic.

-Ed
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The connector is different. The stock HD800 cable is fantastic.

-Ed
I don't think it would be too tough to build an adapter from an HD650 cable (what are they, $13 if I recall) chopped to the headphone connector. If the lemo is trimmed to fit the look of the HD800, you can always grind off a little since it would only be for testing. That way, everyone that already has a couple of HD6xx aftermarket cables could try them against the stock one.

Oops, I guess you wouldn't even need a HD650 cable unless you wanted to try the 800 cable on your 6xx. You just need a female and male lemo and a few strands of some nice wire.
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eargasmic!
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I don't think it would be too tough to build an adapter from an HD650 cable (what are they, $13 if I recall) chopped to the headphone connector. If the lemo is trimmed to fit the look of the HD800, you can always grind off a little since it would only be for testing. That way, everyone that already has a couple of HD6xx aftermarket cables could try them against the stock one.
Yes, a HD600/650 to HD800 adapter would have been really, really nice!
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Glad to see TheDeliveryMan step into the fray of the buzz-fest! I think his greatest marketing victory -- and possibly the source for his handle -- was figuring out a delivery system to pump that glass booth full of happy gas so that all of the people who heard the HD800 would rave and drive the sales into immediate frenzy! I had such a headache the next day and I guess I shouldn't have blamed it on the booze and Seduction perfume that was pumped into the other CES venue!

Congrats on a fantastic launch, and I am happy to be duped into liking this amazing addition to the headphone hi-end. Once I have heard my pair (TTVJ's first order) in more depth and with my equipment, it will be easier to say whether or not this is THE BEST headphone I have ever heard, but there is NO QUESTION that it is ONE OF THE BEST.

Cheers.
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Anyone interested in my DX1000's? May have to let the RS2's go as well. Curse you Head Fi!
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Congrats on a fantastic launch, and I am happy to be duped into liking this amazing addition to the headphone hi-end.
They duped you and now you're duping us, you no good for nothing duper! Duper, duper, duper! I'm going to be royally pyssssssssed at you and all of the other dupers if these things sound like mere $1,200 headphones!
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Originally Posted by JazzJackRabbit View Post
I'd say so far sennheiser marketing has been pretty effective. Only half-a-dozen people have had a chance to listen to these headphones for half an hour under less than ideal conditions with lots of ambient noise, nevermind doing critical listening A/B'ing them with other high quality cans. And yet, despite that, and despite the price, people are preordering them in droves (well for a $1400 headphone anyway).

It's brilliant really. Create a lot of hype before anyone has had a chance to do a critical review, create an impression of a limited run by imprinting serial number on the headband, and get as many headphones out of the door before any REAL reviews start popping up. By then it will be too late, the HD-800 cult will have been established. Even if HD-800 turns out not all that has been promised, they are still going to be very good, too many people will own them by then, and sheer peer pressure, popularity, and usual excuses about diminishing returns will keep the momentum going.



As for myself I'll wait for proper reviews. It's easy to get yourself hyped, I'm feeling it myself. However, these headphones are not limited edition, and $1400 is a lot of money to plunk down on a cat in a bag.


Commenting only about the listening environment:

I spent my entire Wednesday afternoon (and touching into early evening) at the Sennheiser exhibit before CES started. The relatively low activity around me--coupled with the closed-door environment of the "greenhouse"--resulted in a nice listening environment. I also came back on Friday for more listening under typical CES conditions. Though it obviously wasn't as nice or as extended as the Wednesday session, the additional sound isolation provided by the greenhouse helped keep the outside at bay to a degree enough to be workable--and enough to still easily recognize that the HD800 is truly something special.

As for equipment used, and a bit about me:

  • Sennheiser's rig: Meitner CD/SACD player as transport, with its digital out to a Benchmark DAC1 (as DAC and headphone amp). While obviously not an ideal use of the Meitner, it was still a good rig. No, the Benchmark is certainly not my first choice as headphone amp, but it's still a good amp.
  • My portable rigs: My iPod Classic 160 with lossless tracks, LODs by ALO Audio (SXC Cryo), Qables (Silvercab), Moon Audio (Blue Dragon), and Cable Pro (Reverie); the amps used included the iQube by Qables, the Double Mini3 by ALO Audio, and the Ray Samuels Audio Predator.
    • To use the portable rigs, I had to borrow a 1/4" to miniplug adapter from Sennheiser (the type that comes with the Sennheiser HD650), as I had forgotten mine.
    • I did not have an RCA-RCA-miniplug cable handy, otherwise I'd have tapped that Meitner to feed the portable amps directly.
  • Headphones present for comparison included: Ultimate Ears UE-10 Pro and Sennheiser HD650.
  • For what it's worth (or not worth, depending on your opinion of me), I have a lot of experience with a lot of different gear, both in the headphone and speaker worlds. I have been an audio enthusiast for more than half my life, and a music nut for even longer. I have served as a beta evaluator of many different pieces of audio gear by now (something I continue to do, uncompensated, for several companies), and, in addition to being fun, this has (over the years) exposed me to even more audio gear than I might otherwise have been directly exposed to.
    • As for Voltron, jp11801 and Edwood (not to mention drubrew and Tyll Hertsens): These guys are among the most experienced Head-Fi'ers, in terms of experience with high-end gear, and a great variety of it, at that. Again, that's for what it's worth (or not worth) to you or anyone else. I, for one, very much respect what these guys have to say about gear.
Yes, as with anything else, it will ultimately come down to your own opinions on your own gear. That said, given the current availability of the HD800, the impressions you've read are all that's available so far (as of today). So, JazzJackRabbit, while I appreciate and respect your skepticism, I can tell you that the people who've listened to it so far (myself included) haven't been a part of some Sennheiser-orchestrated hype machine. As I told some of my Sennheiser contacts prior to CES, the HD800 was either going to be huge news to this community in a very good way (if the headphone exceeded their previous efforts), or the biggest letdown ever (if the headphone was simply a different flavor of the HD600/650, or less). If you're feeling hype, it's simply the unbridled excitement for what initially sounds to those who've heard it to be the headphone the veteran members of this community have been waiting for for years.

Again, not everyone is going to agree. I'll say the following very confidently, though: I think most who hear the Sennheiser HD 800 will like it--a lot.

NOTE: I'm going to be updating my original post with more content. Sorry it has taken longer to do that than originally anticipated, but I had a lot of catching up to do (with non-Head-Fi things) upon my return home.
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Subtle, go back and look at the praise and excitement over the K-701 and GS-1000. Everyone was caught up in them for the first few months, then reality set in. Not to say either of those are bad - I own the K-701 and am looking for a used GS-1000. There's initial excitement over everything, not just headphones, but new cars, girlfriends, and much else. You have to live with something for awhile before the rose colored glasses come off. That is not to say the HD-800 is bad or won't pan out in the end, but people have to get over the initial rush and live with it for awhile.

As tempting as it is to call Tyll and throw down the Amex (I've had the phone in hand twice), I'm making mysel hold off until CanJam '09. I'm bringing pretty much my entire rig, so I'll demo it with my gear and A/B it with my favorite headphones. If it's stunning, I'll buy it. If not, I'll probably drop that cash on a pair of ESL-63s, LaScalas or a set of Orion drivers.
I completely agree - and to add to that Tyll has never been a huge K-1000 fan - he might like it but certainly doesn't rave about it - he has the HD650 as one of his favorites.

Jude liked the GS-1000 - Tyll wasn't into it at all.

My point is that the K-1000 is my favorite headphone. The GS-1000 is up there as well - the HD650 is waaay down the list for me. So, what they think is the best headphone that they've heard for their tastes may not leave me feeling the same way.

I like Sennheisser and believe they have fixed their HD6X0 issues, but my worry is that I will have another flavor of expensive headphone that I won't want to give up while not being able to give up what my other headphones give me. I think others might be in this same boat. Oh well right?

I really don't want to add another to the fold. I'd rather consolidate and replace everything I have with the HD800 - but if history is any lesson, I think it will be a case of collecting rather than consolidating, and that is my fear.

That being said, hype the HD800 up!! Why not - it's been a long time in coming, and I also have no doubt that it will easily be the best headphone for many out there. I think the negativeness is mostly because some feel left out given it's pretty large price tag.

Tyll and Jude are just letting us know that this headphone seems to cover deep bass, extended highs, smoothness, sound stage, and a lush midrange. I don't know of any headphone that can do all of that to date.
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Again, not everyone is going to agree. I'll say the following very confidently, though: I think most who hear the Sennheiser HD 800 will like it--a lot.
You had better not be duping me either! I want the straight-forward, no dupe, poop and nothing more.
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When are they going to be released?
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Late February/Early March
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All of the below:
1. A review that is written by a respected member who owns or is closely familiar with other high end cans such as R10, L3000, and/or electrostats.
2. A review that A/B's HD-800 against said headphones.
3. A review that is done in a quiet environment with low or no ambient noise.
4. A review where reviewer had a chance to listen to the headphones for several days at least.
5. I know it's hard, but prefferably a review from someone who does not believe wrapping power cord in a tin foil significantly improves sound quality. Yes this is real, and this person is a member of head-fi.
I agree with #1-4, but not sure about #5. What about ERS paper? Can we wrap the power cords in ERS Paper like Patrick82? He says it really helps.

I suppose I don't own enough high end headphones to do a review, sorry.
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I hope they can upgrade the HD650 by using ring radiator drivers.
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