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post #8911 of 14120
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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post

 

Hmm, i dont think i had heard anyone say that the cart makes the biggest difference. A friend was recommending the RP3 with the elys cart it comes with, mostly because of how good the tonearm is that it comes with, and to get a cheaper phono stage to start with. And if i went with the Traveler i was probably going to go with a 2M Blue. What cart upgrade would you be recommending for the RP1?

 

My dealer feels the cart is the magic piece, too. Though I was kind of lumping tonearm and table together. The tonearm is extremely important. The biggest issue I had with my Scout was the hollow 'ping' noise from the arm. 

 

It was one of the main reasons I got my Amadeus. Highly damped, sand filled arm. Goodbye arm noise.

 

I'd absolutely say stick with the 2M series up until about 500 bucks. After that I like Dynavectors (10x5 at 450. 20XH at 850). I plan to get a Dyna XX-2 (1950) this year and be done cart wise. 

 

Just run it til it needs a retip and do that. While the RP3 is a good choice I still think you should invest heavier in other places because Rega offers a ton of upgrades for the RP1 to get to the same level as the RP3. You can get great sound with an RP1 + good stage now and get the cheaper upgrades for your RP1 as time goes on. 

 

The smaller upgrades will keep major upgradeitis at bay because you'll still be hearing improvements.

post #8912 of 14120
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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post

Hmm, i dont think i had heard anyone say that the cart makes the biggest difference. A friend was recommending the RP3 with the elys cart it comes with, mostly because of how good the tonearm is that it comes with, and to get a cheaper phono stage to start with. And if i went with the Traveler i was probably going to go with a 2M Blue. What cart upgrade would you be recommending for the RP1?

 

I would say that in order of importance it's Cart > Arm > Table. Rega is known for their arms, not their carts. For that reason I would suggest a Music Hall MMF2.2 over the RP1.. although honestly I would think about blowing most of your budget on your cart and starting with a more basic phono pre. Something like the Audio-Technica OC9-MKII would be a very good choice.

post #8913 of 14120
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Originally Posted by DaveBSC View Post

 

I would say that in order of importance it's Cart > Arm > Table. Rega is known for their arms, not their carts. For that reason I would suggest a Music Hall MMF2.2 over the RP1.. although honestly I would think about blowing most of your budget on your cart and starting with a more basic phono pre. Something like the Audio-Technica OC9-MKII would be a very good choice.

I have read soo many good things about the Audio-Technica that it's bewildering.

post #8914 of 14120
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Originally Posted by Redcarmoose View Post

I have read soo many good things about the Audio-Technica that it's bewildering.


Some quick googling even found it for a pretty great price http://www.lpgear.com/product/ATC01.html

 

but is it really better than the Dynavector 10x5 that MT is using? cause there is an absurd amount of good things written about that one

 

Edit: some more quick googling shows that to not be a very good place to buy from...


Edited by SoupRKnowva - 3/21/13 at 3:53pm
post #8915 of 14120

The 10x5 is pretty kickass at it's price point but MM carts are usually a good place to start as I find it easier to get a good MM stage within his price bracket. Though the 10x5 is HOMC so it works along most of the same specs as an MM cart. 

 

Don't have enough to comment on the Music Hall stuff.

post #8916 of 14120
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

RP1 is my go to recommendation for starting out but I don't have much experience with Pro-Ject beyond their lower end tables tables.

 

I was considering building a mini system at one point with the Phono Box though. My recommendation for a cheaper phono stage is always the Cambridge stuff. Just because I know it's a good recommendation.

 

I like all the Schiit stuff but haven't heard an Asgard outside of meet conditions. I bet it'd sound pretty good though depending on the headphones.

 


Hmm, well I already have the Phono Box and I'm pretty much set on the Asgard so I think I'll give this setup a try. I can always make tweaks. Hopefully it won't be too bright for me, which is usually a problem.

post #8917 of 14120

So I guess Alcest is making a new album? This is the first I've heard of it.

 

 

 

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Today was the first day off I had since we started the recordings almost 3 weeks ago. We rented a car and went away in the Icelandic nature, taking advantage of the mindblowing landscapes and relaxing. We really needed this ! At the moment drums, guitars, bass and a part of the vocals are done. Billie from Promise And The Monster was here a few days ago to record her parts, everything went great. The album takes shape slowly but surely...

With light, N
post #8918 of 14120
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

The 10x5 is pretty kickass at it's price point but MM carts are usually a good place to start as I find it easier to get a good MM stage within his price bracket. Though the 10x5 is HOMC so it works along most of the same specs as an MM cart. 

 

Don't have enough to comment on the Music Hall stuff.

 

i think i might get the RP3 and a phonopreamps.com http://www.phonopreamps.com/tc760pp.html, seems to have some good things written about it. And then replace it with a Decware ZP3 phono stage down the road. Ive always wanted to buy something from decware but never thought they would work very well for me, but the phono stage seems pretty legit. and then last upgrade the cart to a Dynavector 10x5 or something similarly good

post #8919 of 14120
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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post


Some quick googling even found it for a pretty great price http://www.lpgear.com/product/ATC01.html

 

but is it really better than the Dynavector 10x5 that MT is using? cause there is an absurd amount of good things written about that one

 

Edit: some more quick googling shows that to not be a very good place to buy from...


I'm not really familiar with Dynavector carts, but the OC9 is definitely a superstar cart for what it costs. The Benz LP S-class is the cart for metal, but it's also 5 grand very_evil_smiley.gif

post #8920 of 14120

You'll also never buy one again. IIRC Benz hasn't shipped anything in almost a year now...

 

I wanted one of their carts for my Scout but every place I contacted told me they hadn't had stock for a long, long time.

 

As for the ZP3. I was considering one until I decided to go the needle dropping route and get a Simaudio 310.

 

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Originally Posted by DaveBSC View Post


I'm not really familiar with Dynavector carts, but the OC9 is definitely a superstar cart for what it costs. The Benz LP S-class is the cart for metal, but it's also 5 grand very_evil_smiley.gif

post #8921 of 14120
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

You'll also never buy one again. IIRC Benz hasn't shipped anything in almost a year now...

 

I wanted one of their carts for my Scout but every place I contacted told me they hadn't had stock for a long, long time.

Oh that sucks. I just checked Needledoctor and indeed they are cleaned out. Too bad. I guess there's always Lyra and ZYX. Supposedly Miyajima carts are serious bidness, but I personally haven't heard any. As far as tables, Origin Live and Nottingham are really really good stuff.

post #8922 of 14120

Yeah be careful with Notts right now, too. I was planning to get one of their tables for a long time and I know one of the big US guys personally. He said he's almost had to refund the last 3 orders he's placed with them because the main US distributor is having some sort of issue.
Like...months overdue order issue.

 

I'd still totally love to have one, but until I consider dropping 5k on a TT (not anytime soon) I won't be too eager for one. I was going to get a 294 with a Shelter 901 but plans change and I guess I got lucky on this one because there's no way I'm waiting BHSE time for a TT when there's so many good options out there.

 

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Originally Posted by DaveBSC View Post

Oh that sucks. I just checked Needledoctor and indeed they are cleaned out. Too bad. I guess there's always Lyra and ZYX. Supposedly Miyajima carts are serious bidness, but I personally haven't heard any. As far as tables, Origin Live and Nottingham are really really good stuff.

post #8923 of 14120
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

I'd still totally love to have one, but until I consider dropping 5k on a TT (not anytime soon) I won't be too eager for one. I was going to get a 294 with a Shelter 901 but plans change and I guess I got lucky on this one because there's no way I'm waiting BHSE time for a TT when there's so many good options out there.

 

Indeed. I was a huge Michell Gyro fan until I heard some Origin tables, and then that was over. They are absolutely first class, and unlike a lot of the other high-end players, you don't need to use an SME arm. O-L makes their own, and they are every bit as good as their tables.

post #8924 of 14120

You're a high mass kind of guy, eh? I haven't really heard a proper high mass rig before but I'll definitely have the Sovereign in mind when the next TT upgrade comes along (in hopefully a few years).

 

Then again, I could just get a WTL Versalex...Sexy wood plinth...Mmmmm...

 

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Originally Posted by DaveBSC View Post

 

Indeed. I was a huge Michell Gyro fan until I heard some Origin tables, and then that was over. They are absolutely first class, and unlike a lot of the other high-end players, you don't need to use an SME arm. O-L makes their own, and they are every bit as good as their tables.

post #8925 of 14120
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

You'll also never buy one again. IIRC Benz hasn't shipped anything in almost a year now...

 

I wanted one of their carts for my Scout but every place I contacted told me they hadn't had stock for a long, long time.

 

As for the ZP3. I was considering one until I decided to go the needle dropping route and get a Simaudio 310.

 

 

Ah, so do you think the ZP3 is a cart that would be as good if not better than the Sim 110LP? since you were going to get one you must think pretty highly of it.

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