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Anyway, can someone explain to me why the bass is almost always mixed into oblivion in modern records? 

My personal guess is that they assume people use their own bass boosts at home. Chicken and egg -thing. Another one might be that they want the kick, snare and guitars so in front that something must be sacrificed.

post #8282 of 16563
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Shrine of New Generation Slaves impressions. As you may have heard, the album was intended to be more progressive rock than metal, and that's very true. I'm a huge Anno Domini fan, so even though I like prog rock I was expecting to be somewhat disappointed... not so. It was pleasantly surprising, and though quite a departure from their past work it was still unmistakably Riverside. The album seems to go back and forth between two different places; a slightly-less-heavy version of older Riverside material and a much lighter prog atmosphere (where it stays most of the time). So if you're used to hearing the other albums, it will ease you into the new style. And I have to say, I wasn't too fond of the heavy portions of this album. Mainly this was just because of their severe overuse of pentatonic riffs. It's a cool sound, but there's only so much you can do with it before everything starts sounding the same from using it so much. The rest of the had some really cool rhythms with great drumming, though.

 

Vocals and bass playing were at an all-time high, by far. Duda puts down some serious groove with the drums on Deprived, which is something that can't really be accomplished with metal. And the singing is just fantastic. Guitar work was on par with previous albums, as was the keyboard work. The only times I was impressed with the keyboardist were his organ parts during the metal sections, and I really wish he would have used organ sounds throughout. The rest of the keyboard parts are good, but he only truly shines in metal. Production was also the best I have heard from them yet. Clipping was present as expected, but the record maintains a clear sound for its entire length. I don't have the vinyl yet so no comments there.

 

 

Overall it's a great listen that takes you from exciting heavy prog metal sections to fascinating gentle melodic parts and everywhere in between. If you listen to Duda's side project, Lunatic Soul, you already have a good idea of what some of this album sounds like. 8.7/10

 

I really enjoyed it, much more so than ADHD. I feel like OSI does the heavier prog stuff better than Riverside, but the more mellow prog rock of Shrine I thought was excellent.

 

Just in case anyone missed it: http://www.metal-fi.com/riverside-shrine-of-new-generation-slaves/

post #8283 of 16563

I like this album very much.

 

 


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I really enjoyed it, much more so than ADHD. I feel like OSI does the heavier prog stuff better than Riverside, but the more mellow prog rock of Shrine I thought was excellent.

 

Just in case anyone missed it: http://www.metal-fi.com/riverside-shrine-of-new-generation-slaves/

 

Really looking forward to Riverside's new album. ADHD is the ho' for the friday nights alone.

 

OSI is a curious case. Blood was imo very mediocre, not really cohesive as an album either. The new one, after a slow start, has really grown on me. Although some of the tracks still feel like they're using a rubber sledgehammer to hammer the rhytm in, they don't quite always flow. Recommended+

post #8284 of 16563
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Duly noted, trogdor (I think i'm guilty of half of those :P). 

 

Anyway, can someone explain to me why the bass is almost always mixed into oblivion in modern records? 


From experience I think it's just because it's so difficult. With a full mix, you basically have two options: turn the mids way up and create an annoying whiny bass sound, or turn the mids down and the volume up until it's an undefined rumble. It takes a good engineer to be able to work the entire sound so that the bass comes out well in a heavy mix. It's no problem with funk, for example, but when you throw in downtuned power chords and a double bass drum things get tricky.

 

 

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Originally Posted by DaveBSC View Post

 

I really enjoyed it, much more so than ADHD. I feel like OSI does the heavier prog stuff better than Riverside, but the more mellow prog rock of Shrine I thought was excellent.

 

Just in case anyone missed it: http://www.metal-fi.com/riverside-shrine-of-new-generation-slaves/

 

It hasn't topped ADHD for me yet, which remains one of the best prog metal albums I've heard. But I did really enjoy it too, and some more listens might bring it there. I keep forgetting to listen to OSI.

post #8285 of 16563
Melodeath from New Jersey?! Yup, Helcaraxe's Red Dragon is a great, great release:



Check out my review on Metal-Fi
post #8286 of 16563
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Originally Posted by macrocheesium View Post


From experience I think it's just because it's so difficult. With a full mix, you basically have two options: turn the mids way up and create an annoying whiny bass sound, or turn the mids down and the volume up until it's an undefined rumble. It takes a good engineer to be able to work the entire sound so that the bass comes out well in a heavy mix. It's no problem with funk, for example, but when you throw in downtuned power chords and a double bass drum things get tricky.

 

 

The bass is generally at least fairly audible on a good vinyl mix. A major part of the problem is hyper compression, when you slam everything to DR5 or DR6, there's no room left for the kick drum, let alone the bass. Everything just becomes a mash of guitars.

post #8287 of 16563

Yeah, that too. Compression never helps anything.

 

I think it's kind of funny how most people stereotype metalheads as guys that listen to screeching noise with no thought to musicality or good sound, when in reality this community is pickier about sound quality than any other I've ever seen.

post #8288 of 16563
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Yeah, that too. Compression never helps anything.

I think it's kind of funny how most people stereotype metalheads as guys that listen to screeching noise with no thought to musicality or good sound, when in reality this community is pickier about sound quality than any other I've ever seen.
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The bass is generally at least fairly audible on a good vinyl mix. A major part of the problem is hyper compression, when you slam everything to DR5 or DR6, there's no room left for the kick drum, let alone the bass. Everything just becomes a mash of guitars.

Furthermore, even the mixes that DO sound good at DR6 (like Swano's) really have a lot of imaging issues. Certain types of metal really need to breath, e.g. atmospheric black, post-metal, doom/sludge, etc. and with the amounts of compression they use, it just sucks.
post #8289 of 16563

It's very rare that I give an album a 10/10, but this one is almost perfect if not completely.

 

 

 

I loved it from start to finish. Clear vocals, great guitar solos, and a unique blend of technical and melodic playing. I'm aware that it has been posted sometime in the past, but it deserves at AT LEAST one more mention.

post #8290 of 16563

This one also may have been posted. Not sure since "Worship" pulled up so many search results. So allow me to introduce Worship, an excellent German doom band.

 

post #8291 of 16563

 

Man I loved this. Amazing band name, amazing album name. Some people are bitching about the vocals but I like the way it's mixed, too. Might have to throw some money at Metal Blade for this one.

post #8292 of 16563

Would you link that again, please?

post #8293 of 16563
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It's very rare that I give an album a 10/10, but this one is almost perfect if not completely.





I loved it from start to finish. Clear vocals, great guitar solos, and a unique blend of technical and melodic playing. I'm aware that it has been posted sometime in the past, but it deserves at AT LEAST one more mention.

Where is SoupRKnowa when you need him? Seriously. Unfortunately macro, this discovery goes to Soup but thanks for reminding us. Their follow up I thought was not as good as Fragments.
post #8294 of 16563
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Where is SoupRKnowa when you need him? Seriously. Unfortunately macro, this discovery goes to Soup but thanks for reminding us. Their follow up I thought was not as good as Fragments.

I liked both of them very much. I think both albums complemented each other very well.

post #8295 of 16563

where do you guys get your heavy metal CDs from?

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